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A visible laser works both ways.


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I always have a bit of a cringe moment when people speak about holding a person with a laser bouncing on them as a "deterrent".

A visible laser works both ways.

To me that's kinda like sayin' when I hear people talk about holding a person with a gun pointing at them as a deterrent it makes me cringe and that pulling a visible gun works both ways.
( which it can)

IMO the laser, if you can hold it kinda steady, can let the other person think he's in your sights dead to rights and your odds of missing are pretty slim. ( based on the popular culture of the red laser dot coming from a gun)
Pretty sure the young adult with the screwdriver or hammer is gonna think at least twice.
( hopefully he will with the gun pointed at him but I'm thinking it wouldn't hurt )

Of course you can choose when the little red dot shows up, or doesn't.
And you better be prepared to make it go bang and all that goes with that.

like they wrote in another thread, in a good number of occurrences in which a gun is used for self defense a shot is never fired. (Deterrent)

Maybe my thinking was wrong but makes sense to me.

In the Viridian video posted by Flap Jackson in reply#15 of this thread, if you stop the video just before the bullets hit the target, you can see the bullets hit the target about a foot from his laser dot!  Seems like the manufacturer would have zeroed the laser better than that before making the video,  or am I missing something?

In the Viridian video posted by Flap Jackson in reply#15 of this thread, if you stop the video just before the bullets hit the target, you can see the bullets hit the target about a foot from his laser dot!  Seems like the manufacturer would have zeroed the laser better than that before making the video,  or am I missing something?

Maybe muzzle flip?  Recoil? 

Put laser dot on target (POA),
Pull trigger,
muzzle flips up,
laser follows muzzle,
impact of bullet (POI) is where laser sight used to be,
but not where laser is.

Just a guess.

In the Viridian video posted by Flap Jackson in reply#15 of this thread, if you stop the video just before the bullets hit the target, you can see the bullets hit the target about a foot from his laser dot!  Seems like the manufacturer would have zeroed the laser better than that before making the video,  or am I missing something?

the laser is mounted low and also offset from the bore. if you zero it at 15 feet and shoot a target at even 15 yards the poi will be pretty off.   you really need to find a sweet spot for your usage and zero it to that. the intersecting lines cross paths once then deviate further from each other. i tried my x5l at the pistol target range on a really overcast day (25 and 50 yds)and i couldnt get it on paper using the dot. it was zeroed for about 20 feet since my property is only 6000sq ft.
ive found that zeroing at longer distances is better to keep the poa close to the poi over a wider range, but like zeroing a red dot at 50/100 yards you need to account for a few inches of height over/under bore when youre closer than 15 yards.

the older viridian lasers were centered, but mounted even lower than they are now. not sure if that was better or worse. seems like all models of surefire and streamlight lasers are centered, but the height under bore is significant with all 3 brands so im sure you will have similar issues but not as bad as viridian.

I bought a Crimson Trace green laser.  It can easily be seen in bright sunlight at 35 ft on a variety of different backgrounds, a silver car, white plastic bucket, an orange etc.  I  changed the zero from the factory 50 ft to 30 ft as my primary purpose for the laser is close range point shooting.  At night, the laser dot can clearly be seen at 200 or more ft.  So far I like it and close range target acquisition is much quicker.

This is my G19 with the CT laser, grip reduction, mag well cut out and carbide sand grip coating by RookWorx.

Laser dot on white bucket at 35 ft in bright sunlight.
It is easier to see in person than what the camera lens shows.