I shot with the Hawaii Practical Shooters for the first time, and 3rd USPSA match.  Today was the 2 Gun Match with pistols and rifles.  There were about 30 shooters today and everyone was friendly and helpful.

The match went well for me, my goal was to go through slower but practice good techniques I learned from Sig Sauer Academy last week and get mostly A zone hits.  I met my goals by getting close to 90% A zone hits, the rest B's, and a coupe of C's.  Had to do a tap rack on my handgun when I didn't seat the magazine completely on a closed slide, and had a little trouble reloading my rifle mag on a closed bolt.  Had to switch my feat around a couple times shooting around a corner, and a couple of brain farts in the middle of the stage when I forgot what to do next.

A good and quick day overall.

What was the start condition for pistol for stage 2?

What was the start condition for pistol for stage 2?

The second gun is loaded magazine, empty chamber slide/bolt forward.

I did a review of Stage 2 using the Coach's Eye app for Android or IOS.  Unfortunately it exports videos to low res.  This is something everyone should do, shooters and instructors, to critique technique.

Thank you for sharing.  Looks like it was some nice weather for shooting.   

I haven't shot in a 2 gun match in a while, but I'm surprised that they started with pistol in two stages.  In the matches that I've shot, they all ended with pistol.  I saw that there were a couple of DQs and I was wondering if that happened in clearing the pistol before transitioning.  Yeah, there are always DQs, but just seemed like a higher than usual potential there. 

Yeah, videos of yourself are excellent tools to evaluate and improve.  I often revert to some bad habits that tell myself that I know better than that.  I usually don't realize since I'm focused on the task at hand, but good to see the visual evidence later. 

Shooting techniques looked OK.
Consider adjusting your glasses for a tighter fit.
Or some kind of strap so they don't slide down your nose.
I saw you adjust your glasses in stage 1 and 2

Shooting techniques looked OK.
Consider adjusting your glasses for a tighter fit.
Or some kind of strap so they don't slide down your nose.
I saw you adjust your glasses in stage 1 and 2

how come they didn't have you remove mag and make safe when placing the rifle in the barrel?

Shooting techniques looked OK.
Consider adjusting your glasses for a tighter fit.
Or some kind of strap so they don't slide down your nose.
I saw you adjust your glasses in stage 1 and 2

I always forget to put the strap on my glasses.  I had one in the car.

how come they didn't have you remove mag and make safe when placing the rifle in the barrel?

They have two ways to discard your first firearm,.  You can put it on safe like I did for my rifle..  Or you can  unload clear and dry fire like I did for my Glock since it doesn't have a safety lever.

Thank you for sharing.  Looks like it was some nice weather for shooting.   

I haven't shot in a 2 gun match in a while, but I'm surprised that they started with pistol in two stages.  In the matches that I've shot, they all ended with pistol.  I saw that there were a couple of DQs and I was wondering if that happened in clearing the pistol before transitioning.  Yeah, there are always DQs, but just seemed like a higher than usual potential there. 

Yeah, videos of yourself are excellent tools to evaluate and improve.  I often revert to some bad habits that tell myself that I know better than that.  I usually don't realize since I'm focused on the task at hand, but good to see the visual evidence later.

I noticed there aren't many 2 or 3 gun matches here, just one or two a year.  I might try a mainland match this summer.  There were some safety violations.  One was not putting the safety lever on when transitioning to rifle.  Another one was someone didn't clear the gun before doing a dry press into the backstop, so they fired a round when they didn't intend to.  Their stage time didn't stop yet and the bullet went into the backstop safely so they didn't DQ.  A past DQ I saw was someone had their finger on the trigger during reload.  They range safeties keep are vigilant in observing for violations.

There is more complexity with 2 gun matches and sometimes I had to pause for a second to remember what I was supposed to do.

Another unusual thing I saw was there were a few women in the match.  Usually there aren't any for things like this.

I noticed there aren't many 2 or 3 gun matches here, just one or two a year.  I might try a mainland match this summer.  There were some safety violations.  One was not putting the safety lever on when transitioning to rifle. 1) Another one was someone didn't clear the gun before doing a dry press into the backstop, so they fired a round when they didn't intend to.  Their stage time didn't stop yet and the bullet went into the backstop safely so they didn't DQ.  A past DQ I saw was someone had their finger on the trigger during reload.  They range safeties keep are vigilant in observing for violations.

2) There is more complexity with 2 gun matches and sometimes I had to pause for a second to remember what I was supposed to do.

3) Another unusual thing I saw was there were a few women in the match.  Usually there aren't any for things like this.

1) That's what I was suspecting as a potential reason for DQ when doing the clear the gun while in the middle of a stage.  I've seen some pretty seasoned guys DQ on less though.

2) Yeah, it does all another thing to process.  Another shooter friend posted a video and after he finished the pistol portion, he ran over to where his rifle case was on the ground.  It took him a second, but then he realized it was staged in the barrel on the other side of the stage.  He's a pretty seasoned guy and shoots often.  Just not something someone does often, so stuff like that happens. 

3) Really?  I've shot with HPS a lot for the past 3 years or so and there are always at least a handful of women.  I recognized a few names.  I guess it depends which group.  When I first started with MPPL, there weren't many ladies.  HPS seemed to have more and on a consistent basis.  Not sure about the other groups as I haven't really shot with them.  All same core bunch of guys though.  Too much time and too much ammo for me to shoot that often.  Haha

I haven't looked at the schedule much this year, but HPS has had quite a number of multigun matches.  I personally prefer just straight pistol matches.  I don't own a shotgun, so I haven't shot any 3 gun.  It's been a while since I shot pistol-carbine.  The setup with HPS is much different than I've seen on the mainland.  I've shot with my buddies in AZ and their courses of fire are pretty challenging.  While I did ok with my 1x Aimpoint, a low powered variable (1-4 or 1-6) definitely would help!  I've also seen multigun matches where the transitions are more "flowing", but that also can also lead to some sketchy handling. 

Some people will intentionally burn their last chambered round into the backstop. It's faster than racking it out. Especially if you are abandoning the gun after a 10 round array. Just put three shots on the last target so you're abandoning a totally dry gun. Thus, you didn't waste time racking or dicking around with anything.   

One was not putting the safety lever on when transitioning to rifle.

I tried to help out once by passing unloaded rifles to the shooters while they stood on tires. Common sense kicks in; lock bolt back, put on safe, check if clear, no magazine, etc and pass the rifle to shooter. Shooter loads and makes ready when instructed. Beep goes off and they hammer away with no bang. Wait... what does this lever do?

Super great feed back guys! How many of you shoot in matches? Are there more videos of people here shooting in clinics and matches? It seems like there is a lot of experienced shooters here, and I'd like to hear all about your extensive experience in shooting tactically. How do I shoot in these "3 gun matches?" Should I watch Instructor Zero videos for training? It's hard for me to make it out to such things and Sig Sauer courses. So I want to know how to shoot better.

Super great feed back guys! How many of you shoot in matches? Are there more videos of people here shooting in clinics and matches? It seems like there is a lot of experienced shooters here, and I'd like to hear all about your extensive experience in shooting tactically. How do I shoot in these "3 gun matches?" Should I watch Instructor Zero videos for training? It's hard for me to make it out to such things and Sig Sauer courses. So I want to know how to shoot better.

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I used to run matches before, but nothing like what I see today.
The P in practical shooting has been abandoned for "A" ...assault courses
I totally understand the change. Real practical shooting matches are not particularly exciting.
So the sport had to evolve to keep the interest of the next generation.
A perfect example of this is that trick of blowing off an extra shot so the gun goes dry before discarding it.
That is about as impractical as it gets. That's why the offshoot IDPA got started.

Anyway, the best I can do is to offer you some old videos from the old nationals and steel challenges.
You might be able to pick up something by watching the old masters at work.
I've started converting the old tapes to DVD, if you're interested in that.

Aren't you a master class shooter already?

Some people will intentionally burn their last chambered round into the backstop. It's faster than racking it out. Especially if you are abandoning the gun after a 10 round array. Just put three shots on the last target so you're abandoning a totally dry gun. Thus, you didn't waste time racking or dicking around with anything.

I've seen that often in matches where the first gun is shotgun.  That said, it's funny when they drop a couple of shots and then have to do an unplanned reload.   

Super great feed back guys! How many of you shoot in matches? Are there more videos of people here shooting in clinics and matches? It seems like there is a lot of experienced shooters here, and I'd like to hear all about your extensive experience in shooting tactically. How do I shoot in these "3 gun matches?" Should I watch Instructor Zero videos for training? It's hard for me to make it out to such things and Sig Sauer courses. So I want to know how to shoot better.

I haven't shot a match yet this year, but I used to shoot about once a month for many years.  I have some videos of my matches somewhere on my laptop, but they are from matches many years ago.  I'd be almost ashamed to share those now. . .    HPS's website used to have videos of matches.  If not, you can do a YouTube search for "HPS Match" and a bunch should come up. 

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I used to run matches before, but nothing like what I see today.
The P in practical shooting has been abandoned for "A" ...assault courses
I totally understand the change. Real practical shooting matches are not particularly exciting.
So the sport had to evolve to keep the interest of the next generation.
A perfect example of this is that trick of blowing off an extra shot so the gun goes dry before discarding it.
That is about as impractical as it gets. That's why the offshoot IDPA got started.

Anyway, the best I can do is to offer you some old videos from the old nationals and steel challenges.
You might be able to pick up something by watching the old masters at work.
I've started converting the old tapes to DVD, if you're interested in that.

Aren't you a master class shooter already?

It also depends on why people get into the sport.  I got into it because it offered shooting with movement.  Something not allowed elsewhere at Koko Head.  Yeah, I notice the "gaming" aspect of it and I get it.  I want to shoot the stages and score well, but I'll try to do it for the shooting part first and not the score part.  There are times when I was asked why I didn't skip a target that I had a miss on and went back and got the hit (steel plate) and they explained that I was better off with the penalty than the added time.  I just shrugged and smiled. 

The match went well for me, my goal was to go through slower but practice good techniques I learned from Sig Sauer Academy last week and get mostly A zone hits.  I met my goals by getting close to 90% A zone hits, the rest B's, and a coupe of C's. 


Just curious how you got your Zone percentages when it was time plus scoring?

The match went well for me, my goal was to go through slower but practice good techniques I learned from Sig Sauer Academy last week and get mostly A zone hits.  I met my goals by getting close to 90% A zone hits, the rest B's, and a coupe of C's. 


Just curious how you got your Zone percentages when it was time plus scoring?

Look at the target after I shoot em.

Look at the target after I shoot em.

I dont see anything