In the heat of the moment when you have to shoot someone youre not thinking about a 1 MOA.

its not magical. But having a good sub moa rifle sure helps the effort.

Aye, there's the rub.  I have a sneaking suspicion that if I peeked into the gun safes of those who think MOA is magic, I'd see a lot of cheap rifles.  Don't get me wrong, I think you get what you pay for, up to a point of diminishing returns.  By the same token, I'll shoot a way better round of golf with a bag full of high-dollar Callaways than I will with a McGregor Junior Golf Set from Wally World. 

Hows this MOA with my glock .40 on a qualification. The misses is not really misses. I was imagining a crack head behind the target. LOL.... Gotta love those 2 sec, 5 yard double taps.

I'm not a fan of the MOA I believe in MOP, minute of pig. I've never had to hit an inch spot on a hog. You may shoot a better round but tiger will still beat you using those mcgregors.

In the heat of the moment when you have to shoot someone youre not thinking about a 1 MOA.

You're right, but why stack up compounding errors?

Aye, there's the rub.  I have a sneaking suspicion that if I peeked into the gun safes of those who think MOA is magic, I'd see a lot of cheap rifles.  Don't get me wrong, I think you get what you pay for, up to a point of diminishing returns.  By the same token, I'll shoot a way better round of golf with a bag full of high-dollar Callaways than I will with a McGregor Junior Golf Set from Wally World.

I suck at golfing. I go to escape the constant nagging from the wife and its the only place I can legally drink and drive.

I'm not a fan of the MOA I believe in MOP, minute of pig. I've never had to hit an inch spot on a hog. You may shoot a better round but tiger will still beat you using those mcgregors.

Tiger would beat me with a shovel, rake, and baseball bat, Tin Cup style.  However, is it really valid to say that because a given set of clubs won't make me the best golfer in the world, they aren't worth it?  Same thing goes with rifles; I still won't be better than Carlos Hathcock, but I might just be better than the guy shooting back at me. 

I suck at golfing. I go to escape the constant nagging from the wife and its the only place I can legally drink and drive.

Yes.  Drunken golf carts are the best thing about the sport.

Its nice to have the top end gear like the diver that cost more than my entire set bag and all or that $2000 AR. But the clubs don't make the player neither does the rifle. I haven't played in 4 years, and buying a new set of calloways won't make me any better than my old Wilson's will If i played a round tomorrow.

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except for bragging rights a $2000 ar is a waste
 most pople shoot bulk 3moa ammo or milspec which is also
3-4 moa ammo
reguardless of  shooter or equipment the ammo is only so accurate

do "most " people who by a high end ar even know the twist rate on the barrel.... no
was the ar platform designed to be a sub moa rifle ...... no
with ars you get your monies worth for the first  $700 spent the rest is just hype

And there it is...the definitive answer....fuck my life, time to take up cross-stitching.  So thats why pro three gun shooters bring 700 buck rifles to competitions?

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I have a spikes 5.56 and spikes 6.8SPC both great ARs. 5.56 I shot my bag limit this goat season the 6.8SPC I took out four pigs and one as recent as Saturday. The 6.8SPC cost me $1500 the 5.56 cost me about $750 both really great rifles. For really great prices. I don't really care about MOA I do care about what I can shoot to put food on my family's table for the right price.

if pro three gun guys were sponsored by marlin they might shoot a 336w.... but since they are sposored by highend ar companies thats what they shoot

also three gun is a sport with definite advantages for  rate of fire and reduced recoil
i completely support anyones right to purchase an ar ant any price

the original post is about comparing  the sacred tiers of ars
how do you quantify the advantages of a $2000 ar vs A $750 ar
the short answer is there are asthetic differences
 rifles are made to shoot and if .5 inch at a 100yds is worth  and extra $1000 then knock yourself out

Are you trying to say somebody wouldn't use an AR in 3 gun? Just because marlin gave them money. That's sacralig

if pro three gun guys were sponsored by marlin they might shoot a 336w.... but since they are sposored by highend ar companies thats what they shoot

also three gun is a sport with definite advantages for  rate of fire and reduced recoil
i completely support anyones right to purchase an ar ant any price

the original post is about comparing  the sacred tiers of ars
how do you quantify the advantages of a $2000 ar vs A $750 ar
the short answer is there are asthetic differences
 rifles are made to shoot and if .5 inch at a 100yds is worth  and extra $1000 then knock yourself out

Done arguing. The difference isnt .5 at 100, its at 4 or 5 hundred.

if pro three gun guys were sponsored by marlin they might shoot a 336w.... but since they are sposored by highend ar companies thats what they shoot

also three gun is a sport with definite advantages for  rate of fire and reduced recoil
i completely support anyones right to purchase an ar ant any price

the original post is about comparing  the sacred tiers of ars
how do you quantify the advantages of a $2000 ar vs A $750 ar
the short answer is there are asthetic differences
 rifles are made to shoot and if .5 inch at a 100yds is worth  and extra $1000 then knock yourself out

I have a $1700 AR. Thats including mags, Aimpoint optics, case, back up sights, and magpul furniture. I could care less about moa. I like to hear the ping of the metal targets that are at 250 yards. I also love my CMMG .22 LR conversion. Likely the best $200 I have spent. I just wish they would let me shoot my slide fire stock at the range. Damn rules.....

Bring your cheap or expensive ARs and ammo to Puuloa and see how they do in a National Match Course. We are ready to teach when you are ready to learn.

it all just depends on what you plan to do with the rifle and what your needs are. if you just want a superlight carbine that alows you to hit man size targets out to 500+ yards... getting a $600 AR will do the job.

as your expectations get higher though, and you want to shoot something smaller and smaller only taking 1 or 2 shots vs 10-30 to hit your target... you will need something with higher tolerances

but that doesnt mean you have to buy a "built" gun from noveske or LWRC to get that accuracy...

you just have to build a rifle with quality products that WILL still cost you more.

most importain things... barrel, free float rail, and trigger. (trigger is open to debate cause i rock a stock milspec trigger... but it does help a lot to have a good one)

example... normal barrel will cost you around $100... the barrel in my AR is made by White Oak Armament... and it cost $400+.


thats the beauty of ARs though... you can build it how you want it

and if you start changing calibers... 6.5 grenal... 6.5 SPblablabla... 6.8.... 300 blackout.... you are changing everything even more so.... so start out with what your want your rifle to do... and your budget.... and then just buy what works for you