Feed your $4,000 AR junk ammo and it will shoot like.............well.............junk................

hahaha Good One!

Feed your $4,000 AR junk ammo and it will shoot like.............well.............junk................

It's not a simple argument.  There are points made both ways about this situation.

According to one poster, it doesnt matter the cost of ammo, barrel, trigger or sights.

So they should be able to outshoot a match barrel, match trigger and match ammo with a rusty barrel, cheap trigger and junk ammo.

 (stirring the pot) 

one request, can we stop with the "... is better than a Mustang"?  I get it!

one request, can we stop with the "... is better than a Mustang"?  I get it!

All hail the mighty Mustang.

The greatest American muscle car ever made. 

All hail the mighty Mustang.

The greatest American muscle car ever made. 

all hail the pinto it will blow your mind.

hahah the Chevy/Mustang argument.....been there done that.....OMG.....

Put a Chevy SB motor in Mustang then you have a car.....Purist hate me....

Whats a junky AR?

If I had a Junky AR why would I want to put it up against any other AR?

The $600 AR is not a Junk to me.  It is just basic. but it has a good barrel.  That's all that matters to me.

I actually do own a Junky AR.  It is a 5.56 11.6" BBL with a welded 5.5" Flash Hider.  It came with a POS 4x NC Star Scope.  Someone on the forums traded it to me.
so I added my composite lower to it (Considered Junk to most of you guys!)  went out to KHSC with some XM193 and shot quarter size groups at 100 yards.
was surprised at the grouping. I then started shooting at the gong 1.5 mil high on the scope and hit it on the first shot and the 30 shots after that. to me the upper is dated.
but it works and I could not find anything junky about it.

hahah the Chevy/Mustang argument.....been there done that.....OMG.....

Put a Chevy SB motor in Mustang then you have a car.....Purist hate me....

The best motor in the world is the SB Chevy! Yes I'll take the flaming.    Just take the evolution of the Corvette with a SB and you'll see there is very little wrong or bad you can say about the SB Chevy. World class super car at a (relatively speaking) bargain price.

I'm a Chevy guy but one of the best motors in the world is the Boss 302. That motor (in my opinion) really put the Mustang on the map. Otherwise, before that it was just an economy car with a sexy body. The Mustang and Camaro with BB's were fast but could not handle or stop worth crap. But they sure as hell could go fast in a straight line. But put a high revving SB in those cars and they could not only go fast in a straight line but they could handle decently (consider the fact that this was the mid 60's). I won't compare those cars to what we have today.

The best motor in the world is the SB Chevy! Yes I'll take the flaming.    Just take the evolution of the Corvette with a SB and you'll see there is very little wrong or bad you can say about the SB Chevy. World class super car at a (relatively speaking) bargain price.

I'm a Chevy guy but one of the best motors in the world is the Boss 302. That motor (in my opinion) really put the Mustang on the map. Otherwise, before that it was just an economy car with a sexy body. The Mustang and Camaro with BB's were fast but could not handle or stop worth crap. But they sure as hell could go fast in a straight line. But put a high revving SB in those cars and they could not only go fast in a straight line but they could handle decently (consider the fact that this was the mid 60's). I won't compare those cars to what we have today.

Popcorn anybody? This getting better.

one request, can we stop with the "... is better than a Mustang"?  I get it!

Haha, sorry bro. I'm done.

I had way too much problems with squeezing 900 HP from a 5.0L Ford.  Take 1 month to prep the motor and 9 seconds to blow it.

Go to the Chevy and no problems....plus Chevy parts are cheaper....

 

I prefer a  turbo diseal. Last car cruise I was on guy was eating up hondas in his letter dodge.

In regards to a $600vs $2000 one I just picked up a few of the stripped lowers ogc had for sale so interesting to see everyone's point of view. Got my DD triggers coming in soon so that should be done for the lower. Neither sure what to do with the upper yet.

I prefer a  turbo diseal. Last car cruise I was on guy was eating up hondas in his letter dodge.

In regards to a $600vs $2000 one I just picked up a few of the stripped lowers ogc had for sale so interesting to see everyone's point of view. Got my DD triggers coming in soon so that should be done for the lower. Neither sure what to do with the upper yet.

Haha, I've been on a build frenzy since I got my Noveske lower. 

My National Match AR is was $700 cash and carry model being sold by Armalite at a National Guard competition. I didn't have that much cash so Armalite charged $720 on my credit card. It's a good rifle. I put it on par with the $2000 rifles that are built for NM shooting. The heart of a rifle's accuracy is the barrel. It's tough to find a quality barrel for under $400 these days and price doesn't always man you get a good barrel. You just need to shoot it to see how it groups with different ammo. Good gunsmiths charge $2000 for their guns because they guarantee their accuracy and that takes time, ammo and skill.

My National Match AR is was $700 cash and carry model being sold by Armalite at a National Guard competition. I didn't have that much cash so Armalite charged $720 on my credit card. It's a good rifle. I put it on par with the $2000 rifles that are built for NM shooting. The heart of a rifle's accuracy is the barrel. It's tough to find a quality barrel for under $400 these days and price doesn't always man you get a good barrel. You just need to shoot it to see how it groups with different ammo. Good gunsmiths charge $2000 for their guns because they guarantee their accuracy and that takes time, ammo and skill.

Interesting, thanks for the info!

Feed your $4,000 AR junk ammo and it will shoot like.............well.............junk................

It's not a simple argument.  There are points made both ways about this situation.

yes your right and that is ANOTHER DIFFERENT DISCUSSION

but take same ammo... same shooter... high end AR.... low end AR... and the high end AR will shoot better! period!!!!



why does everyone bring up different things?!!?

one request, can we stop with the "... is better than a Mustang"?  I get it!

lol

this is crazy i think the problem in this discussion is some peeps are too prideful to say that yes...  everytime a good point is made against me... what do i say? i say, "hey your right! " but whats funny... is the points you guys bring up are factors yes... but they dont give reason the the OPs actual question... "why is a $2000 AR better then a $600 one?  and the only reason i keep going at this, is because it seams like the majority of you are one of those guys that is saying... "im a dame good shooter... and i will outshoot all these lil wipersnapers with there $2000 ARs!"

granted, yes you may! but you can not defy the FACTS...

if conditions where exactly the same, IN EVERY ASPECT, the same:

shooter
ammo
barrel length
twist rate
whatever you are gonna tell me i forgot after this post!!! lol

IF EVERY variable is the same...

a low end (or cheaper costing) AR is not going to be able to shoot as good as groups as a high end (or more expesive) AR.


the guy that spent $700 on his national match AR... THAT IS A MORE ESPENSIVE AR!!! and it outshoots a NON-national match AR...



sure, someone can buy a $600 AR... turn around and sell it for $2000... and that wont be any better....


we are comparing the quality of the firearm... NOT the price.... but price comes into play because generally a higher quality firearm is more expensive... why? because more time was spent into making it!!!! which makes it more quality and better!!!!


but what is amusing to me on top of all of this... are those of you that are in the frame of mind that,  "im a dame good shooter... and i will outshoot all these lil wipersnapers with there $2000 ARs!".... you are so stuck on that fact... and you are fighting it, not seeing the reality is that as technology gets better... gear gets better. true, sometimes people come out with stuff that doesnt really show that big of an improvement. and depending on how much more money they ask, it may not justify as WORTH IT to the individual shooter...

but thats just it... this is not a discussion of price... on if YOU think its worth it or not to have a upgrade on your firearm... the descussion really boils down to, does it make the firearm better or not.... does it make it more accurate or not....

and the answer is YES!!!!!!! a larue OBR shoots more accurately then a DPMS sportacal, or daystar, or any $600 AR.

now... as a individual shooter... the amount of improvement in accuracy may not be enough to justify spending $1500 MORE... but... that doesnt mean, the more expensive one is not more accurate...

im just as broke as you guys. actually im probably MORE BROKE! lol
i can NOT justify spending $2000+ on a AR...

but i also can not justify FACTS... and the fact IS... "why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?" well re read ALL my freaking posts if you still dont know lol and if your to stubborn to agree... or at least see the gist of what it is im saying... then 

we all live another day 

hahah the Chevy/Mustang argument.....been there done that.....OMG.....

Put a Chevy SB motor in Mustang then you have a car.....Purist hate me....

............and yet you'd never hear of a Chevy guy dropping a Ford motor into their car.................. 

yes your right and that is ANOTHER DIFFERENT DISCUSSION

but take same ammo... same shooter... high end AR.... low end AR... and the high end AR will shoot better! period!!!!



why does everyone bring up different things?!!?

I respectfully disagree.  Very few times is the firearms argument a simple one.  There are just some guns that shoot good even if they are cheap.  There are also some really expensive guns that shoot like poop.  It's just the way it is.