and to add..

STOP SPREADING FAKE NEWS WITH YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT HOW THINGS WORK!

If you don't know. You don't know!

Again, it doesn't matter what particular information was shared. The fact I don't know what was specifically shared does not make my point any less valid. The allegation was that he shared information that was not supposed to be shared by agreement with the country that shared it with the USA. That is what was reported in the news. If it never happened then happy days, if it did happen then Trump screwed up.

You are a funny guy. I tell you I don't care and you continue to try and convince me that what you say matters.   

Like the judge on People's Court says often, without proof you are just flapping your gums.

If I go by what you say about words of concern and allegations then fake news matters to you. Because that is what fake news is, words of concern and allegations. I pity you because you must believe a lot of things that are not true. That explains a lot about what you say here and how you think. I'm done with you on this conversation.

Funny you consider it fake news just because you don't like it or it cannot be proven to some conviction level of proof.

I provided multiple statements as proof of my observations. I don't know what level of proof you want absent a direct admission by Trump.

Words matter. Agree to disagree.

I don't remember seeing anything in the leaked info on this non-scandal indicating it was released in violation of classification level, foreign disclosure guidance, or originator markings,   Do you?

The news I had heard did seem to claim that it was in violation of foreign disclosure guidance. I will see if I can find a link that mentions it specifically.

I agree that absent such an agreement then Trump didn't do anything wrong.

Funny you consider it fake news just because you don't like it or it cannot be proven to some conviction level of proof.

I provided multiple statements as proof of my observations. I don't know what level of proof you want absent a direct admission by Trump.

Words matter. Agree to disagree.

the news was reporting what "sources" said
people who were there went on the record saying that never happened
your "multiple statements" are trumped (lol) by people who were willing to go on the record
words matter

Again, it doesn't matter what particular information was shared. The fact I don't know what was specifically shared does not make my point any less valid. The allegation was that he shared information that was not supposed to be shared by agreement with the country that shared it with the USA. That is what was reported in the news. If it never happened then happy days, if it did happen then Trump screwed up.

YES IT DOES WHAT PARTICULAR INFORMATION WAS SHARED BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND CLASSIFICATIONS

and AGAIN what country was this?
You don't know then you don't know.
So stop with these guesses.

The news I had heard did seem to claim that it was in violation of foreign disclosure guidance. I will see if I can find a link that mentions it specifically.

I agree that absent such an agreement then Trump didn't do anything wrong.

Foreign disclosure is much more than "guidance"
People go to jail for intentionally sharing information.
What is your experience working with foreign disclosure ?

Funny you consider it fake news just because you don't like it or it cannot be proven to some conviction level of proof.

I provided multiple statements as proof of my observations. I don't know what level of proof you want absent a direct admission by Trump.

Words matter. Agree to disagree.

SO again "your observations"
Did your observations lead you to witness the information that was disclosed by President Trump?

The news I had heard did seem to claim that it was in violation of foreign disclosure guidance. I will see if I can find a link that mentions it specifically.

I agree that absent such an agreement then Trump didn't do anything wrong.

You've said you remembered something many times only to be proven wrong.  Either you have such a source, or you're blowing smoke.

One thing to remember --  let's assume there was an unauthorized disclosure.  That fact all by itself is classified.  Therefore, if this is true and someone leaked it, that person is more guilty of disseminating classified than Trump. 

Kind of tells you about the character of the people leaking this stuff.  And they want us to believe they are telling the truth?

SO again "your observations"
Did your observations lead you to witness the information that was disclosed by President Trump?

So if your kid's baby sitter said they become sexually aroused by children you would think then fit to be baby sitters since they were never caught in the act?

the news was reporting what "sources" said
people who were there went on the record saying that never happened
your "multiple statements" are trumped (lol) by people who were willing to go on the record
words matter

Not saying that people willing to go on record don't matter but in the grand scheme of things they are not some Trump card that absolutely settles the issue. Anonymous sources have reasons for being anonymous, and it isn't always because they are just making up stuff. Does it seem beyond the realm of possibility that maybe Trump's people who have lied to cover it up?

So if your kid's baby sitter said they become sexually aroused by children you would think then fit to be baby sitters since they were never caught in the act?

 

So if your kid's baby sitter said they become sexually aroused by children you would think then fit to be baby sitters since they were never caught in the act?

What does that have to do with foreign disclosure???

Does it seem beyond the realm of possibility that maybe Trump's people who have lied to cover it up?

does it seem beyond the realm of possibility that the "sources" are lying?

YES IT DOES WHAT PARTICULAR INFORMATION WAS SHARED BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND CLASSIFICATIONS

and AGAIN what country was this?
You don't know then you don't know.
So stop with these guesses.

It matters whether the information shared was ok to share. Are you suggesting that just because they aren't saying what was specifically shared that we cannot believe that he shared it? If the information is classified then it should not be published what was specifically shared. What matters is if the information shared was open to being shared per the relationship the USA has with the info provider.

What does that have to do with foreign disclosure???

I am going along Inspector's line of reasoning that only actions matter. My apologies if that is not the same angle you were taking.

Not saying that people willing to go on record don't matter but in the grand scheme of things they are not some Trump card that absolutely settles the issue. Anonymous sources have reasons for being anonymous, and it isn't always because they are just making up stuff. Does it seem beyond the realm of possibility that maybe Trump's people who have lied to cover it up?

There are no points in your statements. You're like a drunk monkey trying to hump a football.
All your statements are pure speculation on issues that are very serious.
You have no understanding of disclosure whatsoever.
You have no facts to support your statements whatsoever.
You're just digging looking for anything that can support your hate for Trump.
Want a shovel instead of using your paws?

It matters whether the information shared was ok to share. Are you suggesting that just because they aren't saying what was specifically shared that we cannot believe that he shared it? If the information is classified then it should not be published what was specifically shared. What matters is if the information shared was open to being shared per the relationship the USA has with the info provider.

again what country was the originator?
If you don't know then you don't know what treaties we have with that country. In that treaty and/or policy there are guidelines.
Even if classified information was shared it is not public - because it is still CLASSIFIED!

I am going along Inspector's line of reasoning that only actions matter. My apologies if that is not the same angle you were taking.

that angle was sick and twisted and has absolutely nothing to do with sharing information between countries
I don't know how you came to that analogy of being aroused by kids.
Fucking sicko

You've said you remembered something many times only to be proven wrong.  Either you have such a source, or you're blowing smoke.

One thing to remember --  let's assume there was an unauthorized disclosure.  That fact all by itself is classified.  Therefore, if this is true and someone leaked it, that person is more guilty of disseminating classified than Trump. 

Kind of tells you about the character of the people leaking this stuff.  And they want us to believe they are telling the truth?

Many "whistle blowers" are breaking a law when it comes to speaking up about a government action. I don't agree with your line of reasoning that the person releasing the information is of poor moral character just because they broke the law. I also do not agree that the individual is more guilty than Trump. Trump's alleged violation is more serious than the violation of someone saying Trump did the violation.

Here is one article that covers protocol violations as well as diplomatic problems covered by Trump's sharing of classified information. It doesn't mention a specific disclosure agreement but it sure hasn't made Israel very happy.
http://www.businessinsider.com/john-brennan-trump-russia-classified-info-2017-5

Again, I am not saying Trump committed a crime but I am saying that Trump screwed up here

There are no points in your statements. You're like a drunk monkey trying to hump a football.
All your statements are pure speculation on issues that are very serious.
You have no understanding of disclosure whatsoever.
You have no facts to support your statements whatsoever.
You're just digging looking for anything that can support your hate for Trump.
Want a shovel instead of using your paws?

My statement is full of facts. What other facts do you want? You want me to prove that it isn't a good idea to share information that was provided to you with the understanding that it was not to be freely shared?  I have referenced many items brought up in the news a lot since this story broke and much of it is in the original video.

You just sound desperate to defend Trump.

I'll admit I don't like Trump but when it comes to the facts I don't twist things. I give credit where credit is due and criticism where criticism is due. Trump supporters need to be able to recognize when Trump screws up otherwise they just look stupid.