Acquired Handguns (Read 18554 times)

Lead foot

Acquired Handguns
« on: May 24, 2017, 04:25:05 PM »
Does anyone know the law for firearms acquired through storage unit auctions?  Are these firearms able to be registered and owned by the winning bidder, assuming everything clears with HPD?  Would the winning bidder eventually be the new owner of the firearms after the process is complete?  Looking for answers from people with legit information.  Tanks ah!  :shaka:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Acquired Handguns
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2017, 05:18:46 PM »
Contact an FFL and ask what the process is.  There are a few in the Vendors section on this board.

You will have to coordinate the transfer between the FFL, HPD and the storage unit managers.  Legally the storage company had a lien on the property and took possession before selling to you.  They would have to transfer them to the FFL.

HPD will want to run a check to make sure none are of interest in crimes (i.e. reported stolen).  If HPD clears them, the FFL will be able to transfer them to you after your permits arrive.

This is not from experience.  I've been curious myself in the past, and this is the best advice I've been able to gather.  Hawaii Laws are strict.  Paying an FFL to do the transfer should keep you out of trouble.

I'd also advise you to get estimates for the value of the guns.  If they aren't worth the time and expense of transfer fees, permit applications and registrations, turning them into HPD for disposal might make more sense.
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dustoff003

Acquired Handguns
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2017, 05:58:45 PM »
Hopefully the original owner registered them.
My thoughts here not fact: If registered you would have to have the person that they are registered to or their heir incase of death transfer them to you probably through an FFL. If they are not registered they will be confiscated if they are registered and you can't get that person to transfer them to you they will be confiscated. HPD will not disclose to you who the registrant is if they are registered.


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GTEC

Re: Acquired Handguns
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2017, 06:37:27 PM »
Never done a storage unit one, but I would assume it would be similar to a death/incapacitated RO
Assuming handgun(s) is/are registered & RO is unwilling to assist...
-FFL would need firearm info and notarized document(s) showing storage unit co lien
-FFL would take above to get a permit to acquire from HPD
-FFL would go to storage and take possession of firearm(s) and documentation that person signing release is authorized to sign on behalf of company
-FFL would take firearm(s) to HPD to register
-New owner would apply as normal

Definitely not a simple $25 transfer for the FFL.
Would make me question why the firearm was in the storage unit in the first place before even beginning the process.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Acquired Handguns
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2017, 06:46:06 PM »
Never done a storage unit one, but I would assume it would be similar to a death/incapacitated RO
Assuming handgun(s) is/are registered & RO is unwilling to assist...
-FFL would need firearm info and notarized document(s) showing storage unit co lien
-FFL would take above to get a permit to acquire from HPD
-FFL would go to storage and take possession of firearm(s) and documentation that person signing release is authorized to sign on behalf of company
-FFL would take firearm(s) to HPD to register
-New owner would apply as normal

Definitely not a simple $25 transfer for the FFL.
Would make me question why the firearm was in the storage unit in the first place before even beginning the process.

That's the parallel I had in mind -- estate transfer after owner passes away.

The steps are also what I had in mind, but wasn't sure how much the FFL would be doing versus the storage unit co.  The storage co is the legal owner, so it's up to them to secure the guns and ensure the FFL has what they need for the initial transfer.

As I said, it's best to pick an FFL and let them provide guidance.  They are the professionals.   :thumbsup:
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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drck1000

Re: Acquired Handguns
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2017, 06:50:38 PM »
Not helpful, but similar topic. I used to watch Storage Wars and they'd occasionally find firearms. If I recall correctly, in the auctions in CA, the winning bidder couldn't take ownership of the firearms that were in the locker. Such a tease.


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London808

Re: Acquired Handguns
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2017, 10:09:18 PM »
No one here does anything illegal,

Say nothing.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

Lead foot

Re: Acquired Handguns
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2017, 05:00:10 PM »
I appreciate all the replies.  Mahalo  :shaka:

Cannoli524

Re: Acquired Handguns
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2017, 08:53:19 PM »
Lead foot- by God's grace I'm sure your talking about my hand guns (3 glocks) that was found in my unit that was autioned off on the 23rd of May.. please I beg you, can I have them back I'll even pay you a fee for them..

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Acquired Handguns
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2017, 09:10:03 PM »
Lead foot- by God's grace I'm sure your talking about my hand guns (3 glocks) that was found in my unit that was autioned off on the 23rd of May.. please I beg you, can I have them back I'll even pay you a fee for them..

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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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suka

Re: Acquired Handguns
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2017, 01:52:51 AM »
Im a FFL, and that is totally UNCOOL to file a stolen gun after your storage unit was auctioned off.
In any other State, beside this shithole HPD , your guns would have disappeared into the private world.

suka

Re: Acquired Handguns
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2017, 01:58:48 AM »
You should offer lead foot a good fair amount of money for them back , and not just a small fee.

drck1000

Re: Acquired Handguns
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2017, 10:01:44 AM »
Sort of interested in the story behind the auction of the storage unit.  I assumed that that only happened as part of non-payment for the unit.  If it was part of an estate liquidation, I guess that might be different.  Just sort of curious as to what happens in this case.  I know people who do the storage locker buying thing, but mostly stories of finding a bunch of crap.  Now I'm interested in seeing how this goes.  Sort of like a season finale that left off with a cliffhanger. 

oldfart

Re: Acquired Handguns
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2017, 10:37:15 AM »
You should offer lead foot a good fair amount of money for them back , and not just a small fee.
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Yeah that sounds fair
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jonjon

Re: Acquired Handguns
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2017, 10:40:39 AM »

suka

Re: Acquired Handguns
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2017, 10:56:17 AM »
Cannoli , lead foot acquired the firearm though a legal lien on your property. The police report that was filed is false as the firearms were never stolen or lost. If you really want the firearm back offer lead foot the fair retail cost for them. As for the police report it should be withdrawn as filing a false report is a felony in itself.

zippz

Re: Acquired Handguns
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2017, 10:56:22 AM »
I used to work for a storage company about 15 years ago and we'd have auctions.  Half of the guys just couldn't pay their rent and tried, sometimes they'll catch up on their rent but fall behind again.  The other half go missing.  Usually see the same buyers at the auctions who sell stuff at the swap meet.  The doors to the storage locker are opened and the buyers get to see inside.  They're not allowed to go inside of the locker or touch anything..  A lot of times it's old clothes, old furnature, and worthless stuff and the locker sells for less than $100, usually not worth the effort of throwing stuff away..  Most of the stuff is in boxes so you don't know what's inside.  Sometimes you'll see nice furniture, TV's, and other stuff when people move homes and those can go for a couple thousand dollars and up but that's uncommon.  Usually the computers and electronics are obsolete.   

We've heard rumors of people finding guns before, but we don't care as it's the buyers responsibility and we don't usually get to see what they find.  A guy in Florida called and was surprised to find his locker was auctioned a few months ago.  He was angry and made death threats to me because his guns were in the locker.  There's a stipulation in the storage contract that no firearms can be stored.

zippz

Re: Acquired Handguns
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2017, 11:05:09 AM »
The guy never claimed it was stolen or lost, just that he doesn't have them anymore.  It was wise to do a police report in the event the guns were later used in a crime.

I'm sure both of them can settle the issue.  It would also be a good gesture towards a 2a supporter.  It would be a hassle for the auction buyer to go through the process of registering and selling them.    I think 1/4 of the used price of the guns would be a good offer.  Or if money is short, legally transfer one of the guns to him and get two back.

suka

Re: Acquired Handguns
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2017, 11:11:10 AM »
The guy never claimed it was stolen or lost, just that he doesn't have them anymore.  It was wise to do a police report in the event the guns were later used in a crime.

I'm sure both of them can settle the issue.  It would also be a good gesture towards a 2a supporter.  It would be a hassle for the auction buyer to go through the process of registering and selling them.    I think 1/4 of the used price of the guns would be a good offer.  Or if money is short, legally transfer one of the guns to him and get two back.

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London808

Re: Acquired Handguns
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2017, 11:31:52 AM »
I don't see anything about a police report be filled ?? Am I missing something ?
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016