Mosin Nagant accurizing kit.  While browsing GunBroker.com I ran across several accurizing kits for sale.  The kit involves shimming several areas of the action to the rifle stock and uses either a rag or cork pieces to shim the barrel.  Has anyone had any experience with the mod?http://www.gunbroker.com/item/644613571.  Either my Mosins are in dire need of something like this or I need a new pair of glasses.

Aimpoint is a stick on red  dot a handspan low at a hundred.  I need to find out how the heck the Russians beat the Germans with this rifle.

macsac your suggestion is well taken.  I will convince a friend to send a few rounds down at 100 yards.  He normally outshoots me with iron but not by much.  My windage seems to be OK but these pie plate sized groups get to me.  I will start keeping my targets for record.  Maybe I should get a Lead Sled.

Well, I shoot my 91/30 so badly, just wanted to know if someone had tried these things.  Doing very large 6" plus groups on the rest with iron sights and surp ammo.  Shoot my Swiss a lot better so I thought to look for improvements.  Doing 30 inch pounds on the screws.  Shims look a lot easier than glass bedding speaking personally.

Being a total Mosin newbie, thought I'd inquire here before I order a kit.

macsac your suggestion is well taken.  I will convince a friend to send a few rounds down at 100 yards.  He normally outshoots me with iron but not by much.  My windage seems to be OK but these pie plate sized groups get to me.  I will start keeping my targets for record.  Maybe I should get a Lead Sled.

SNIP

With my bad eyes I could hardly hit the 12" gong out at 100yds.

Well, you have to be able to actually see the target in order to start to align the sights. . . 

 

The problem (when you get to be my age with bad eyesight) is I can see the target, I can see the rear sight and I can see the front sight. The problem comes when I cannot focus well enough to see the front sight well enough to put it in the notch on the rear sight. And if it is that blurry, then I cannot align it with the target very well either. That is my problem with both pistol and rifle. Focusing on the front sight and getting it positioned correctly both in the rear sight and on the target. And sometimes it is not only blurry but there can be more than one depending on the size and color of the sight. Black front sights on a black gong or target don't work well for me either. BTW, some sights have a good enough sight picture that I can work within my blurred front sight problem. The other problem I have is when the rifle has the ears to protect the front sight I occasionally mistake one of the ears for the front sight. I have stopped doing that for the most part but it sure is embarrassing when I realize what I did. </facepalm>

I am experimenting with painting my front sights white (and other colors) in order to be able to line things up easier.

Red dots and scopes are great!!! It's just I cannot fathom putting a red dot or scope on an old battle rifle. I do what I can with what I have to work with.

I was kidding and teasing ya. 

That said, I've found that I am really helped by "brighter" front sights.  Both for picking them up quickly and focus.  I've been going toward FO front sights for competition guns and even looking to transition defensive/training guns to them.  My 1911 9 mm has a plain front sight and I've been meaning to pain with orange or some other bright color nail polish. 

I haven't done that with ARs.  While my ARs have irons, I mainly use the red dot. 

I agree that I can't envision a red dot on something like a Mosin, 1903, M1 Garand, etc.

Don't be so quick to think you can easily solve your mosin woes. Some Mosins have a barrel groove diameter as much as 0.315". Mine is 0.314". Most commercial ammo for the Mosin has bullets in the 0.308" to 0.311" range. Meaning they can rattle around going down the barrel. Not literally, but it does affect accuracy. You can slug your barrel and find out the groove diameter and find a commercial load/bullet that closely matches this. I reload using a lead bullet with a 0.315" diameter and jacketed bullets that are 0.312". Using jacketed bullets that are 0.311" would be marginal for my Mosin. So most commercial ammo works okay but not as good as my reloads.

With that said, the trigger and the sights on my Mosin sucked big time. With my bad eyes I could hardly hit the 12" gong out at 100yds. I bought Mojo sights for mine: www.mojosights.com and a Timney trigger. The sights helped a lot. Including being able to set them to point of aim, meaning you don't have to shoot at the bottom of your target to make hits in the center. The Timney trigger was just because I wanted it. I spent more than twice the cost of the rifle on these two items. At least with these items I could hit the gong consistently with commercial ammo.

I hope this helps you some. 

Come to think of it my muzzle virtually swallows my mil surp 7.72 X 54R with only the tiniest part of the bullet head showing.  And these 70 year old eyes have very much the problem you were describing.  Hmmmm....back to basics!

luckydog what model M-N rifles do you have? Have you tried firing the rifles with the bayonet mounted or extended?


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