Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system (Read 23371 times)

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2017, 07:26:05 PM »
Interesting. Not sure why this is being done, is it expected there will be a cost savings when it is privatized?

Bunker

Re: Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2017, 07:46:45 PM »
Interesting. Not sure why this is being done, is it expected there will be a cost savings when it is privatized?
Privatization of a government agency will surely same money just on the human capital side. The cost of a federal employee, with their benefits and retirement is huge, as compared to the private sector. Trump is talking about much more in the areas of modernization and innovation as well.

omnigun

Re: Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2017, 08:45:54 PM »
Privatization of a government agency will surely same money just on the human capital side. The cost of a federal employee, with their benefits and retirement is huge, as compared to the private sector. Trump is talking about much more in the areas of modernization and innovation as well.

More like now they can cheapen out and understaffed and cut new projects.  Somethings are not ment to be private.  Imagine if we start making private cops, and even the military.

dustoff003

Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2017, 08:49:16 PM »
More like now they can cheapen out and understaffed and cut new projects.  Somethings are not ment to be private.  Imagine if we start making private cops, and even the military.
A lot of (military) jobs done in the past are now done by contractors.


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Bunker

Re: Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2017, 08:56:38 PM »
Government oversight will always be present but most of their functions can be easily contracted IMO. Contracting requirements for security and position qualifications are easily accomplished. For instance, why would the radar operators need to be government employees? We contract similar type positions throughout the DoD already, where they stakes involve national security, why is the FAA any different? 

macsak

Re: Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2017, 09:03:45 PM »
A lot of jobs done in the past are now done by contractors.


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dustoff003

Re: Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2017, 09:13:03 PM »
dusty, don't try to contradict the omimpotent one
he knows all...
Okay sorry boss I'll let you mind him.


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ren

Re: Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2017, 09:26:58 PM »
retaining the FAA is more about political power and control
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rklapp

Re: Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2017, 09:45:22 PM »
It would be cheaper if we got rid of the air traffic controllers and let the airlines figure out how to land the airplanes. :D
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Bunker

Re: Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2017, 09:51:37 PM »
retaining the FAA is more about political power and control
Agreed...probably will be like when Governor Walker went after the unions but much worst because it's Trump.

omnigun

Re: Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2017, 10:52:51 PM »
A lot of (military) jobs done in the past are now done by contractors.


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Yes there are a lot of contractors but our main force is not and never should be  made mostly of contractors.   

omnigun

Re: Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2017, 10:53:54 PM »
It would be cheaper if we got rid of the air traffic controllers and let the airlines figure out how to land the airplanes. :D

Trumps ultimate plan of his dreams.  That's a huge cut in costs! 100% freemarket too.

punaperson

Re: Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2017, 06:21:15 AM »
Somethings are not ment to be private. 
[Ignoring the two misspellings in the seven words] You mean like "health care", right?

drck1000

Re: Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2017, 07:16:04 AM »
Privatization brings in a level of competition that purely federal organizations lack.  Yes, money will always be a driving factor, but there are many instances where thing in the government are slow to move due to people being secure in their positions.  Any movement toward privatization would at minimum light fires, at least I would hope, but not holding my breath.  I don't know much about the FAA's operations and what they do, but my opinion is based on having worked on both sides in the last 20 years.  I have seen the government side change for the better with the introduction of competition in the form of programs that has .gov employees question whether or not a movement in the given industry will eventually mean there will be no or less use for certain positions. 

Would privatization introduce more potential for corruption in the industry?  Maybe.  That would always be the case and it's not like it's not already present in the current form under the FAA. 

While my first impression was that privatization could be a good thing, I don't know enough about the FAA and the airline industry to know if a change is really needed.  I am not one to agree with anything anyone says based on face value, but I am also not one to blindly go against anything Trump, or anyone else for that matter, proposes. 

omnigun

Re: Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2017, 08:25:57 AM »
[Ignoring the two misspellings in the seven words] You mean like "health care", right?

I am against 1 stop healthcare.  Never said I wanted 1 stop public healthcare.  Atleast not as this time.  In the perfect utopia it would work the best but in the current world and America it would not.

davgdavg

Re: Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2017, 08:45:06 AM »
Privatization is the very definition of "Penny wise, pound foolish," for the many sectors. In the end, it costs 3 times more after all of the oversight (DCAA, etc.). Privatization is definitely not cost effective in the defense world. The same will be true of ATC. Someobdy is going to still have to oversee it, and that basically means you will be nearly doubling the number of jobs that need to be paid.

First, you are going to use a company whose sole purpose is to make money. This can happen three ways. 1) Make processes/employees more efficient. 2) Pay employees less. 3) Charge government more.

 Idealists / ignorants like to think that #1 happens, but it mostly doesn't. #2 and 3 are what happens.

Next, the government will still oversee everything. This includes a shitload of people to make sure that the contractor that they hired is charging them appropriately for EVERYTHING. That's not even getting into safety regs, investigations, etc. which will still be done by the gov., or independent private third parties, also charging the government. Next, you're going to have jurisdiction problems. Who oversees what? This normally ends up in 1) Territorial inter-agency disputes. 2) The creation of a new, intermediary "go between" to resolve those problems.

In short, privatization of many things is totally ass backwards.

drck1000

Re: Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2017, 08:58:22 AM »
nevermind
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zippz

Re: Trump unveils plan to privatize US air traffic control system
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2017, 10:02:05 AM »
Can someone provide some insight now how privatization saves money?  People like government jobs for benefits and job security, while pay and promotion potential are usually higher in the private sector.  Low skill jobs may pay more on the government side, however it reverses on the higher end of the scale.

I'm thinking it's not necessarily pay and benefits, but more efficiency and less regulation.