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mauidog

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #60 on: June 09, 2017, 10:53:34 AM »
An ITIN can not be used to obtain employment or tax credits.  Therefore, it CAN NOT be used to "pay" taxes via income tax withholding.  It can only be used when filing a return.
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Inspector

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #61 on: June 09, 2017, 12:08:14 PM »
Quote from: omnigun on June 09, 2017, 10:49:27 AM
No incorrect.

An Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) lets you file an income tax return if you do not have a valid Social Security Number. The ITIN is a 9 digit number that you can request and receive from the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).
Do you not speak English? I said NOTHING about an ITIN number. I said they cannot get a SS number. You even admit they cannot get a SS number. Once again you show the world you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Dumbass.
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dustoff003

Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #62 on: June 09, 2017, 12:33:21 PM »
Quote from: Inspector on June 09, 2017, 12:08:14 PM
Do you not speak English? I said NOTHING about an ITIN number. I said they cannot get a SS number. You even admit they cannot get a SS number. Once again you show the world you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Dumbass.
Easy Inspector he is not worth your time and or energy.


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Awe shucks may conscious got the best of me... if you (me) don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.

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punaperson

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #63 on: June 09, 2017, 01:12:17 PM »
Quote from: dustoff003 on June 09, 2017, 12:33:21 PM
Easy Inspector he is not worth your time and or energy.

Edited:
Awe shucks may conscious got the best of me... if you (me) don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.
1. That was some speculation about how someone ended up the way they did... one of a million possible scenarios. I've seen some people speculating that the root of Comey's personality (disorders?) is based on his having been kidnapped when he was a child. How would anyone ever really determine that?

2. If people didn't say anything at all that wasn't "nice" the jails would be empty (instead of only 10% of the people who should be there being there). The truth deserves to be told, especially when other people are harmed, or potentially harmed by people's actions. That's why I started a thread hammering Sarah Brady when she died. The mods disapproved and deleted the whole thing. So I guess the guideline is: "Don't tell the truth about people, living or dead, if it's not "nice"." Making judgments and evaluations and diagnoses, etc. without strong evidence to support those is purely speculative and borders on, or is, name-calling (See Jim Geraghty's Nat Review column last paragraph re Trump today...), but describing people's actions and the consequences of those actions is a different matter.
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London808

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #64 on: June 09, 2017, 01:15:53 PM »
Quote from: omnigun on June 09, 2017, 10:48:31 AM
I guess I see your point but enforcement wouldn't be practical.  It would discourage hardworking illegals.  I rather kick out all the criminals and unproductive people first.  There are millions upon millions of illegals we shouldn't start with the ones not causing too many issues.

IF YOU ARE HERE ILLEGALLY YOU ARE A CRIMINAL.

#canhereallybethisstupid
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mauidog

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #65 on: June 09, 2017, 01:17:54 PM »
Quote from: London808 on June 09, 2017, 01:15:53 PM
IF YOU ARE HERE ILLEGALLY YOU ARE A CRIMINAL.

#canhereallybethisstupid

#canhereallybethisstupid  #completelyrhetorical  #trollboy  #notnytroll

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Rocky

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #66 on: June 09, 2017, 01:45:49 PM »
Again,  Hawaii is in the Top 10 for something stupid.

States Where the Most People Have Green Cards

5. Hawaii
> Green cards issued in 2015: 457.0 per 100,000
> Immigrant pop.: 17.8% (6th highest)
> Most common country of origin: Philippines
> Filipino pop.: 116,757 (8.19% of total)
> Pop. from countries under ban: 673 (0.05% of total)

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2017/01/31/states-where-the-most-people-have-green-cards/11/

So we 're in the top 10 for

highest taxes,  >:D

highest cost of living,  :'(

highest property cost,  :grrr:

Traffic,  :-\

drugs  :crazy:

Homeless  :-[

Shitty 2a rights   :grrr:

and I think I' still missing one
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punaperson

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #67 on: June 09, 2017, 01:51:43 PM »
Just so no one mistakenly believes that I was being sardonic or sarcastic or satirical when I mentioned Tulsi presenting a bill to Congress to help one illegal alien... just got this email from her during lunch...

"On Wednesday, I spoke on the House floor urging my colleagues to support a ‘private bill’ to adjust Andres Magana Ortiz’s eligibility for legal, permanent residence in the United States.  My bill, For the relief of Andres Magana Ortiz (H.R. 2794 ), is a last resort option that would permit a farmer, community leader, father and loving husband to remain at his home with his family in Kailua-Kona, Hawai'i. After coming to the U.S. at just 15 years old, and nearly three decades living in Hawai'i, Mr. Ortiz worked his way from coffee picker to small business owner, growing Hawai'i’s coffee economy and creating local jobs.  I joined the Hawai'i delegation in sending a letter to DHS Secretary John Kelly, urging him to suspend his deportation order.  Mr. Ortiz received a 30-day reprieve from deportation yesterday.  Like so many others, Mr. Ortiz deserves the opportunity to continue his pathway to a legal status, and I will continue to pursue legislative options to keep Mr. Ortiz with his family in the United States."

I wonder which illegal aliens Tulsi thinks DON'T "deserve[] the opportunity to continue [their] pathway to a legal status"? If there is a pathway to "legal status" from "illegal status", why have "illegal status" at all in the first place? Seems like she means "If you can get in, you can get legal status. I'll file an Act of Congress if anyone gives you any shit."
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London808

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #68 on: June 09, 2017, 02:26:22 PM »
Quote from: zippz on June 09, 2017, 10:12:10 AM
London808, can you give us a brief description on what it takes to immigrate here legally.  Applying, how much of your time spent, cost, how long it takes, etc.

Ok, So as far as i can remember this information is correct, its been 10 years .

I came to Hawaii in September of 2006. In October i got married and we decided to stay in the US. I completed the application for a permanent residency based on my spouse sponsoring me, We had to provide a full history,  including criminal and medical information, I had to have a medical exam and blood test. I had to submit financial information for my wife showing that she would be able to support me for 2 years whilst my application was processed. This had to show that she had somewhere to live, she could afforded her bills and have $50k on hand to be able to support me whilst we waited.  I had to submit to a full bio-metric background check, They took fingerprints, palm prints and photos of my face from multiple angels.  The fee for this was around $1000 for the application, $80 for the bio metrics and $250 for the doctor and blood test. There was a few other fees and the total came to around $1500. I submitted my application.

After approximately 3 months i got notification my application was accepted and i just had to wait for a determination based on all the information i supplied. At this point i could apply for a permit to work whilst i waited. I applied and filled out most of the same information and submitted this with the fee  ( $350?) and waited again. About 6 months after that it was accepted and i was given a letter and an ID card to provided to the social security office to get a SSN, The number was issued and my card states on it with DHS permission only, meaning i could only work as long as i had consent from DHS

Then i waited and waited and waited. I finally got a letter in the mail telling me to report to the DHS office on ward with my wife and we should plan to stay upto 4 hours.  We get their and were interviewed, Typically they split the couple up and ask them questions like what side of the bed do you sleep on, how do you take your coffee, what brand of shampoo do  use ect.... they also ask really personal questions and compare the answers to make sure its a legit marriage.  Well me and my wife for whatever reason are interviewed in the same room asked a bunch of questions. One of which was WHY do you think you guys make a good couple, I come out with a great answer that takes a few minutes to go over and im feeling great, She looks at my wife and goes, And how about you ? Of course my wife being my wife goes " What he said is good" and thats it. The lady looks at me and just cracks up laughing. She says thats the best answer she has ever heard and who else then a legit couple would say that. End of the interview and we are out of there after only an hour.

Next WE WAIT AND WAIT AND WAIT. and around 2 years and 1 month after we first applied i get a letter in the mail telling me my application is successful. 30 days after that i get my green card in the mail.
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omnigun

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #69 on: June 09, 2017, 02:52:00 PM »
Quote from: Inspector on June 09, 2017, 12:08:14 PM
Do you not speak English? I said NOTHING about an ITIN number. I said they cannot get a SS number. You even admit they cannot get a SS number. Once again you show the world you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Dumbass.

I think you are the clueless one here "So they technically cannot pay taxes."   <--- this statement is incorrect because of the ITIN number.  Is that hard to understand?  They DON'T NEED a SS number to pay taxes.   :wacko: :wacko:
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omnigun

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #70 on: June 09, 2017, 02:54:40 PM »
Quote from: London808 on June 09, 2017, 01:15:53 PM
IF YOU ARE HERE ILLEGALLY YOU ARE A CRIMINAL.

#canhereallybethisstupid

Yes there there are LEVELS though.  Do you go after the guy with parking tickets as hard as a murderer?  NO.  You allocate your resources to the more important one/things.  Its a fairly simple idea..... :wacko:

You kick the criminal illegals out first.   Then the useless ones.   Then lastly the hardworking ones if they don't already get citizenship or self deport. 
Same idea
You get the murders off the streets.   Then the white collar criminals.  Then the people with simple tickets/misdemeanors.

You allocate your resources properly.  They all committed crimes but some are worse than others.
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London808

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #71 on: June 09, 2017, 03:00:40 PM »

We dont go after either, THATS THE PROBLEM

If some one who is illgeal is picked up no matter if they have a conviction for any crime what so ever, The simple act of being here illegally is crime enough to deport them. The court case should go like this :

Judge : Are you here in the US legally, 

Emigrant : No

Judge : I order you to be deported to your country of origin. If not country of origin is know, then your country of entry, If no country of entry is know, I sentence you to prison untill such time that information is made available. NEXT.

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London808

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #72 on: June 09, 2017, 03:02:57 PM »
Quote from: omnigun on June 09, 2017, 02:52:00 PM
I think you are the clueless one here "So they technically cannot pay taxes."   <--- this statement is incorrect because of the ITIN number.  Is that hard to understand?  They DON'T NEED a SS number to pay taxes.   :wacko: :wacko:

Paying taxs using a ITIN number if further admission of guilt. Use the information on the ITIN application to go round them up and deport them.   The easy thing about most illegals is we know who/where they are.
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omnigun

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #73 on: June 09, 2017, 03:12:09 PM »
Quote from: London808 on June 09, 2017, 03:02:57 PM
Paying taxs using a ITIN number if further admission of guilt. Use the information on the ITIN application to go round them up and deport them.   The easy thing about most illegals is we know who/where they are.

Technically yes but also a big no.   Not only illegals use ITIN numbers.  The IRS doesn't give a fuck if you commit crimes just pay your taxes.  If you are a drug dealer they want you to pay your taxes on the drugs you sell.  To my knowledge they never use that against you.  They want everyone to pay taxes regardless of what you do and that system should remain.   If you go after people who use the system to pay taxes and are doing illegal things then those people will just not do it.  Then we lose out on taxes.  The IRS should remain neutral.  I should give no fucks other than everyone pays their taxes.  It should not take sides or care about anything or use anything against anyone other than the people who don't pay taxes.
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omnigun

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #74 on: June 09, 2017, 03:13:35 PM »
Quote from: London808 on June 09, 2017, 03:00:40 PM
We dont go after either, THATS THE PROBLEM

If some one who is illgeal is picked up no matter if they have a conviction for any crime what so ever, The simple act of being here illegally is crime enough to deport them. The court case should go like this :

Judge : Are you here in the US legally, 

Emigrant : No

Judge : I order you to be deported to your country of origin. If not country of origin is know, then your country of entry, If no country of entry is know, I sentence you to prison untill such time that information is made available. NEXT.

So what you want the cops to go walking around questioning everyone that looks mexican?  Thats discrimination right there.....Not all illegals are mexican.  Especially in hawaii.
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London808

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #75 on: June 09, 2017, 03:18:38 PM »
Quote from: omnigun on June 09, 2017, 03:13:35 PM
So what you want the cops to go walking around questioning everyone that looks mexican?  Thats discrimination right there.....Not all illegals are mexican.  Especially in hawaii.

WHERE THE FUCK DID I SAY THAT ?

What i said was "If some one who is illegal is picked up" meaning in the course of a normal investigation.
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omnigun

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #76 on: June 09, 2017, 04:17:54 PM »
Quote from: London808 on June 09, 2017, 03:18:38 PM
WHERE THE FUCK DID I SAY THAT ?

What i said was "If some one who is illegal is picked up" meaning in the course of a normal investigation.

Then we bring upon the fact that in coarse of a normal investigation those who work hard and have jobs/businesses and commit no other crimes are VERY unlikely to be "picked up" if there is no discrimination.  Look just like Trump said we need to get the "bad hombres" out first.  Then we worry about the others.  That's the main point I'm trying to make.  We need to allocate resources to getting the worst offenders out first.  Put the worst offenders in focus. 

Lets actually think about fantasy land where we magically find all the illegals.  We take them all to the judge who deports every single one.  We can't physically do that.  You can only deport so many people at one time.  In the end you must make a decision who to deport first.  Get rid of the illegal gang bangers and worst offenders first.  Make sure they are all out so there is no backlog then move on to the rest.
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macsak

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #77 on: June 09, 2017, 04:26:34 PM »
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PeaShooter

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #78 on: June 09, 2017, 04:34:50 PM »
Quote from: London808 on June 08, 2017, 07:36:55 PM
Communism is being taught in our higher education centers right now. Serving ones nation is not Communism but and education into being a productive member of society.  It teachs life skills and a pride in nationalism that is not being taught in america.
I agree communism is what is being taught these days, they just don't want to admit it. But that's how everything in America is, words and lies. Being "taught" nationalism is exactly what happens in North Korea and China. This is incompatible with free speech and thought. In a free country, I should have the freedom to hate my country.

This is one example of inconsistency I pointed out in another thread...people here fight for freedom when it's things they like (2A, 1A only when it contains pro-2A speech) but are the ultimate suppressors of freedom when it's things they don't like (1A when it contains speech that pisses you off).

I will say, that even though I often portray myself as a champion of free speech, that I also support some tyrannical dictatorships. The thing that bothers me most about America is not freedom or lack of freedom, but the fact that it is not what it claims to be.
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punaperson

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #79 on: June 09, 2017, 05:13:06 PM »
Quote from: PeaShooter on June 09, 2017, 04:34:50 PM
This is one example of inconsistency I pointed out in another thread...people here fight for freedom when it's things they like (2A, 1A only when it contains pro-2A speech) but are the ultimate suppressors of freedom when it's things they don't like (1A when it contains speech that pisses you off).
Most of what you wrote appeared nonsensical or self-contradictory. As for the above, please give us specific examples of statements by people on this forum advocating for suppression of speech, especially political speech.
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