Illegal Alien Amnesty (Read 43581 times)

PeaShooter

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #80 on: June 09, 2017, 05:28:00 PM »
There is an example here, forced conscription for citizens or immigrants.

As for other examples, I prefer to stay civil so I prefer not to dredge up too many details from other threads. That tends to just lead to flame wars. I decline your request, but we can talk about the example from this thread.

punaperson

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #81 on: June 09, 2017, 05:32:10 PM »
There is an example here, forced conscription for citizens or immigrants.

As for other examples, I prefer to stay civil so I prefer not to dredge up too many details from other threads. That tends to just lead to flame wars. I decline your request, but we can talk about the example from this thread.
How is "forced conscription" suppression of something that "contains speech that pisses you off"?

How would you quoting people advocating suppression of speech be "uncivil"?

PeaShooter

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #82 on: June 09, 2017, 05:37:36 PM »
That's just my personal sense of etiquette or netiquette. When people start digging out quotes or names from other threads that tends to lead to bad blood, so if it's not absolutely necessary then I try to avoid it. Likewise I try not to point fingers at individuals and I try not to mention names when possible. "Address the issue, not the person."

Forced conscription basically suppresses the right to dislike your country. It is like forcing someone to write "Trump is God" thousands of times on their homework. Aside from that, someone (in one of the other threads, so my apologies to that person) mentioned that people in the military have weaker, or no, free speech rights.

London808

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #83 on: June 09, 2017, 06:24:49 PM »
Then we bring upon the fact that in coarse of a normal investigation those who work hard and have jobs/businesses and commit no other crimes are VERY unlikely to be "picked up" if there is no discrimination.  Look just like Trump said we need to get the "bad hombres" out first.  Then we worry about the others.  That's the main point I'm trying to make.  We need to allocate resources to getting the worst offenders out first.  Put the worst offenders in focus. 

Lets actually think about fantasy land where we magically find all the illegals.  We take them all to the judge who deports every single one.  We can't physically do that.  You can only deport so many people at one time.  In the end you must make a decision who to deport first.  Get rid of the illegal gang bangers and worst offenders first.  Make sure they are all out so there is no backlog then move on to the rest.

Your missing he point of what I'm saying,

Deport every one we find as we find them,
yes actively look the criminals as we should with all criminals legal or illegals but if during everyday police work they come across an illegal they should be deported instanty wether or not they have committed another crime.

Letting small fish go to catch big fish is bullshit. When your hunger you eat everything
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

Inspector

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #84 on: June 09, 2017, 07:08:21 PM »
I think you are the clueless one here "So they technically cannot pay taxes."   <--- this statement is incorrect because of the ITIN number.  Is that hard to understand?  They DON'T NEED a SS number to pay taxes.   :wacko: :wacko:
Anytime you use the words "I think..." I know the mental midget in you is at work making a fool of yourself!!!

I never mentioned the ITIN number for a good reason. And Maui Dog said it better than I could:

An ITIN can not be used to obtain employment or tax credits.  Therefore, it CAN NOT be used to "pay" taxes via income tax withholding.  It can only be used when filing a return.

I didn't mention the ITIN number because one cannot legally obtain employment with it. Which means technically they cannot pay payroll taxes. But again, I only mentioned not being able to get a SS number which is the absolute truth and anything you say to try and contradict that true statement is a lie. You even admit an illegal can't get a SS number so you can't even argue against yourself. And without a SS one cannot technically pay payroll taxes. And without legal employment an illegal alien cannot technically pay payroll taxes. Either way you are wrong. And you are too much of an idiot to realize it.

You keep embarrassing yourself by showing how much of a mental midget you are. All you try and do is to try and show everyone how smart you are and how everyone else is wrong. Yet you open your mouth and show everyone how much you really don't know. You are not worth talking to. I'm done. You are too much of an idiot to understand plain English.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

punaperson

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #85 on: June 10, 2017, 05:28:00 AM »
That's just my personal sense of etiquette or netiquette. When people start digging out quotes or names from other threads that tends to lead to bad blood, so if it's not absolutely necessary then I try to avoid it. Likewise I try not to point fingers at individuals and I try not to mention names when possible. "Address the issue, not the person."
If you make some generalized claim that people here are advocating for the suppression of speech because they don't agree with the content and then refuse to give even one single example, well, I call bullshit. You're avoidance of substantiating your claims by making diverting "explanations" about why you won't provide evidence for your claims are bullshit. You wouldn't have to mention any names, just the provide the quotes. Instead you ramble on about irrelevant issues including your personal etiquette. If you are going to call out people for engaging in something you deem "bad" behavior, you need to provide evidence. Or refrain from making such claims.

Forced conscription basically suppresses the right to dislike your country. It is like forcing someone to write "Trump is God" thousands of times on their homework. Aside from that, someone (in one of the other threads, so my apologies to that person) mentioned that people in the military have weaker, or no, free speech rights.
Mandatory public service, whether via military service or some other form, hardly prevents anyone from "disliking [their] country". You really think there aren't any people currently in the military who aren't at odds with at least some current U.S. policy? Absurd. Your analogy is also absurd. It is not analogous. I don't know the exact laws governing political or other speech by military members, but I do know that "no free speech rights" is completely wrong. You're just making up more shit. What's your real problem? Maybe this?

The thing that bothers me most about America is not freedom or lack of freedom, but the fact that it is not what it claims to be.
Who or what is the "it" that makes claims about what the United States "is"? Perhaps you would be more at home living in some other country that is what it claims to be. You are "free" to move. Where will you be moving to? And when?

Rocky

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #86 on: June 10, 2017, 09:55:43 AM »
Anytime you use the words "I think..." I know the mental midget in you is at work making a fool of yourself!!!

I never mentioned the ITIN number for a good reason. And Maui Dog said it better than I could:

I didn't mention the ITIN number because one cannot legally obtain employment with it. Which means technically they cannot pay payroll taxes. But again, I only mentioned not being able to get a SS number which is the absolute truth and anything you say to try and contradict that true statement is a lie. You even admit an illegal can't get a SS number so you can't even argue against yourself. And without a SS one cannot technically pay payroll taxes. And without legal employment an illegal alien cannot technically pay payroll taxes. Either way you are wrong. And you are too much of an idiot to realize it.

You keep embarrassing yourself by showing how much of a mental midget you are. All you try and do is to try and show everyone how smart you are and how everyone else is wrong. Yet you open your mouth and show everyone how much you really don't know. You are not worth talking to. I'm done. You are too much of an idiot to understand plain English.

Taxes are a moot point.
When you pay them cash, you don't have to pay other taxes, work comp, insurance etc...
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London808

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #87 on: June 10, 2017, 10:30:43 AM »
What many/most Americans dont get is that your an American because you were born here. they dont have the same level of gratitude for citizenship as some one that made the choice to come here and become one.  I have never heard one naturalized citizen say we should have more illegal in this country or we should elt the ones here stay.

My belief is by letting illegal stay here and letting them potentially become citizens we are diluting what it is to be an American. There is NO other country on this planet that lets as many people in and willing accepts them as citizens, There is no country as great or as free as America and even with the communists within trying to destroy and erode those freedoms there is no other country i would rather be.

If some one wants to become to America so bad then they should go through the legal process. Not do it the criminal way.

Imagine America as a business and was looking for employees. You turn up to work one day and find 5 guys have broke a window and are standing inside, You ask them What are you doing ? and they tell you were your new workers and now we are here so you have to keep us on. Is that how it would/should work ?  Would you want to have an employee that the first time you met them was because they had committed a crime, NO.

America has so many people wanting to come here and be AMERICANS, They should only take the best and the brightest. We shouldn't be taking in those that dont take the time to learn English, have poor education or that have criminal records no matter how small. We should not be allowing people to come here on student visas, get an education and then take Americas knowledge home with them.  Every time we do that we are letting people steal Americas wealth and Americas future.

No person in America should be calling themselves anything but an american. There is no such thing as an African-american, a Mexican-american, and Asian-american or European-american. You either an American or your not. Every person coming here who takes the oath to become an american should (and in the oath does).

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

omnigun

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #88 on: June 10, 2017, 11:42:43 AM »
Anytime you use the words "I think..." I know the mental midget in you is at work making a fool of yourself!!!

I never mentioned the ITIN number for a good reason. And Maui Dog said it better than I could:

I didn't mention the ITIN number because one cannot legally obtain employment with it. Which means technically they cannot pay payroll taxes. But again, I only mentioned not being able to get a SS number which is the absolute truth and anything you say to try and contradict that true statement is a lie. You even admit an illegal can't get a SS number so you can't even argue against yourself. And without a SS one cannot technically pay payroll taxes. And without legal employment an illegal alien cannot technically pay payroll taxes. Either way you are wrong. And you are too much of an idiot to realize it.

You keep embarrassing yourself by showing how much of a mental midget you are. All you try and do is to try and show everyone how smart you are and how everyone else is wrong. Yet you open your mouth and show everyone how much you really don't know. You are not worth talking to. I'm done. You are too much of an idiot to understand plain English.


The ITIN program was created by the IRS in July 1996 so that foreign nationals and other individuals who are not eligible for a Social Security number (SSN) can pay the taxes they are legally required to pay.
You can not use it for employment correct,  but I have never said you could.  I also never said that you can get an SS number if you are an illegal.  If you could actually read properly the IRS doesn't give a fuck what you do or how you make your money just that you pay your taxes.  You can be a illegal Mexican drug dealer and the IRS still wants you to do your taxes.
You can pay your taxes with an ITIN.  Your employer can not pay without SS sure but you as an individual can pay the taxes. Is that hard to understand?

London808

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #89 on: June 10, 2017, 11:44:28 AM »
Guess what im filling out.

"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

Inspector

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #90 on: June 10, 2017, 12:16:31 PM »

The ITIN program was created by the IRS in July 1996 so that foreign nationals and other individuals who are not eligible for a Social Security number (SSN) can pay the taxes they are legally required to pay.
You can not use it for employment correct,  but I have never said you could.  I also never said that you can get an SS number if you are an illegal.  If you could actually read properly the IRS doesn't give a fuck what you do or how you make your money just that you pay your taxes.  You can be a illegal Mexican drug dealer and the IRS still wants you to do your taxes.
You can pay your taxes with an ITIN.  Your employer can not pay without SS sure but you as an individual can pay the taxes. Is that hard to understand?
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ren

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #91 on: June 10, 2017, 01:06:23 PM »
Those immigrants who came here legally should be pissed at those who want to give these illegals a pass. Its an insult to those who went through the process.
Deeds Not Words

ren

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #92 on: June 10, 2017, 01:07:04 PM »
Inspector is mad
Deeds Not Words

London808

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #93 on: June 10, 2017, 01:38:57 PM »
Those immigrants who came here legally should be pissed at those who want to give these illegals a pass. Its an insult to those who went through the process.

DAM RIGHT
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

omnigun

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #94 on: June 10, 2017, 04:51:20 PM »
Inspector is mad

I guess inspector lost the argument so he resorted to screaming troll as loud as he could to save face.  Even I admit when I am wrong.  I guess its harder for some people.

troy tanaka

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #95 on: June 10, 2017, 05:48:58 PM »
Guys no matter how much you guys scream and shout, this been going on for over 100 years and it's going to continue for another 200 years, your just shouting in the rain because it's all politics and we know how messed up politics is, promises made and shit gets done 

PeaShooter

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #96 on: June 10, 2017, 05:59:17 PM »
Mandatory public service, whether via military service or some other form, hardly prevents anyone from "disliking [their] country". Your analogy is also absurd. It is not analogous. I don't know the exact laws governing political or other speech by military members, but I do know that "no free speech rights" is completely wrong. You're just making up more shit. What's your real problem? Maybe this?

Perhaps you would be more at home living in some other country that is what it claims to be. You are "free" to move. Where will you be moving to? And when?
Your current lack of civility makes continuing this discussion somewhat pointless. I think you are being absurd. I guess it ends here.

London808

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #97 on: June 10, 2017, 06:38:42 PM »
I guess inspector lost the argument so he resorted to screaming troll as loud as he could to save face.  Even I admit when I am wrong.  I guess its harder for some people.

No, what it means is he's done arguing with a pleb,

An ITIN allows any one to pay taxes without using a SD # but it also allows them to get tax credits, for example the total paid into ITIN numbers equated to about 0.9billion but the payouts were 4.9 billion. That's not illegals paying taxes that's illegals taking returns that they are not eligible for. That's illegals stealing money from Americans. That money comes from people who actually pay taxes.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

robtmc

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #98 on: June 10, 2017, 07:41:08 PM »
No, what it means is he's done arguing with a pleb,

Funny how he/she and the fisheye character do not get the hint that they ought to be grateful for whatever attention they get.  Trolls that obviously came here after hearing  about a "gun nutz" forum that would be fun to go disrupt are fairly obvious early on.   One is evidently paid to be here, the other is seemingly a millennial that just likes to argue for the attention it brings.

Most of us will not give them the time of day.   I will not talk with liberals in general, certainly not these two (or three?)  No way do I have the patience of Inspector in dealing with provocateurs and children.

London808

Re: Illegal Alien Amnesty
« Reply #99 on: June 10, 2017, 08:29:05 PM »
Funny how he/she and the fisheye character do not get the hint that they ought to be grateful for whatever attention they get.  Trolls that obviously came here after hearing  about a "gun nutz" forum that would be fun to go disrupt are fairly obvious early on.   One is evidently paid to be here, the other is seemingly a millennial that just likes to argue for the attention it brings.

Most of us will not give them the time of day.   I will not talk with liberals in general, certainly not these two (or three?)  No way do I have the patience of Inspector in dealing with provocateurs and children.

True that, I have no problem with conversing with liberals as I can back up my beliefs with facts and am willing to stand behind my convictions.

I usually get into the debates with the 2 trolls here whilst I'm working, so I'm being paid whilst doing it.

It is really hard to work out sometimes wether they are trolling or serious, but with some of the shit they say I'm going with trolling
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016