If there's a second term. (Read 15262 times)

DonRow

If there's a second term.
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2012, 09:21:38 AM »
FDR anyone??

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Re: If there's a second term.
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2012, 12:07:14 PM »
 The money will be better spent some where else - none of the republicans will win.  Religion (and its social fight in politics) will cost this country. 
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Re: If there's a second term.
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2012, 02:13:56 PM »
The money will be better spent some where else - none of the republicans will win.  Religion (and its social fight in politics) will cost this country.

I agree. Religion has no place in politics.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2012, 02:40:47 PM by Dblnaknak »

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If there's a second term.
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2012, 03:15:20 PM »
I agree. Religion has no place in politics.

Politics should also stay out of religion.
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Re: If there's a second term.
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2012, 01:59:49 AM »
^^^^that would mean giving up the 501 status. ;)

DonRow

If there's a second term.
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2012, 06:22:02 AM »
Politics should also stay out of religion.
I second that "Politics" needs to stay out of religion.

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Re: If there's a second term.
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2012, 10:00:33 AM »
This guy got it right:

Dear President Obama;

Every year some new idea about how to make our streets safer via “Gun Control” arrives in New York and our nation at large. We’ve registered our guns. Violent crime continues. We’ve banned assault weapons. Violent crime continues. We ballistically identify our legally possessed pistols. Violent crime continues. There are 200 to 300 million firearms in this country - they are woven into the fabric of our society. For all the “wiz bang” technology that modern society has invented - rifles and pistols are still the foundation of our national and state defense. Thousands of times an hour they are used to dissuade another from pursuing an ill advised path; whether in the hand of a police officer or a private citizen. Yes - accidents and tragedies happen, and a mature society must look itself in the mirror and draw the proper conclusions from these horrible events, but to think that by passing law upon law the public at large will somehow be magically made safer via “gun control” is psychotic and dangerous.

I and many of you witnessed the attacks on September 11, 2001. Had those pilots - many of whom were ex military officers - been required to carry a side arm; that day would have ended much differently. Imagine all the lives and treasure that could have been saved but for an irrational fear of the law abiding gun owner. Can any of you honestly say that over the past few decades your collective efforts have made New Yorkers safer? If any of you answered yes then you must take a close look at the FBI statistics on violent crime - you’ll find disappointment waiting for you. No law can urge the lawless to ask permission from anyone for anything. Remember ladies and gentleman criminals, terrorists, and sub human miscreants are dumb, but they are not stupid.

The latest iteration of this policy is the idea that putting a serial number on a bullet casing as it ejects from a semi-automatic pistol will allow law enforcement to detect and thus incarcerate more criminals - this is also referred to as micro-stamping. So let us pretend that all of you are now criminals - how would you alter your behavior to avoid detection? Police your brass. Use a sawed off shotgun. Use a revolver. Gasoline and a match are very effective. Explosives work exceedingly well in motor vehicles. Poison - women seem to prefer this method - Spitzer should hire a food tester. There are very effective ways of killing people that never include a semi-automatic pistol. Not to mention the most obvious trick - remove the firing pin and file off the serializing mechanism. What about something even more devious - picking up used serialized brass at a firing range and place it at the scene of the future crime to throw off the police. Serializing casings of pistol cartridges not only will not work, but it will create more permutations of that section of the population of New York State that are hell bent on killing for profit or psychosis.

New York State currently operates a system that ostensibly should be doing what micro-stamping or serializing a cartridge would do. That system is called “The New York State Combined Ballistic Identification System,” or COBIS. To date COBIS has cost the taxpayers of New York $30,000,000 and has produced only two matches in its database. It costs $4,000,000 per year to operate. We are not the only State to have attempted such foolishness - Maryland has attempted it also. The only difference is Maryland abandoned it because firearms possessed by law abiding citizens are use to commit crimes in infinitesimally rare circumstances. I could fill five pages with all I know of ballistic identification and it’s pros and cons - I sincerely suggest all of you educate yourselves and rethink New York's current approach - last I checked New York was running a $5,000,000,000 deficit saving a few million here or there might start adding up to real money.

Many proven methods work to prevent crime, a solid basic education in how to behave in civil society, economic growth, engaged and active parents, etc. But the most effective methods that exist for reducing crime is self defense and long term humane incarceration for those who cannot coexist peacefully with their fellow citizens. New York State concealed carry law is a mess - some counties provide permits to law abiding citizens with out much hassle while others, “you have to know somebody.” Fix this and you’ll have a safer society. Don’t get me wrong - have stringent rules and requirements that are not capricious for the officials as well as the applicants, but stop deluding yourselves in thinking that permit holders and firearms are in and of themselves the enemy - the opposite is true - concealed carry holders are the most productive and law abiding segment of society. Florida maintains excellent statistics on this point - less then one hundredth of one percent of all permit holders has ever committed any crime in its entire thirty year history of concealed carry! Before Elliot Sptitzers behavior was detected he let 200 murderers out of prison. These people did not steal a loaf of bread to feed their children - THEY KILLED AND RAPED PEOPLE. Fix this and you’ll have a safer society. Bring back the death penalty for criminals that take an officers life.

Please stop attacking me and my fellow firearms owners we neither deserve your ire or your ad hominem attacks. Focus your efforts on what works and not what will get any of you reelected, stop using firearms as a means to win votes in an effort to demonstrate to your misguided constituents that you can save them from violent crime if only they surrender more of their forgotten liberty, when the opposite is true - even they at some point will recognize your hypocrisy for what it is.


Respectfully,

Joe Doakes


Good damned letter.   Could use:

Proofreading
Citations (as an appendix)
Pruning
Someone to read it aloud to the recipient

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Re: If there's a second term.
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2012, 06:19:25 PM »
Agree about Mitt Romney since he is a Mormon and Mormons don't want others that are outside their religion to owns guns. So he will probably gonna pass  a gunban under the guise of public safety.
His entire career has been spent as a big business, anti-gun, police-state goon.  Hes not going to be any different as president, I dont care what he or his campaigners say.

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Re: If there's a second term.
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2012, 10:00:40 PM »
Not for nothing, but gonna stock me up on hi-cap mags.... :thumbsup:

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Re: If there's a second term.
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2012, 01:37:11 AM »
Politics should also stay out of religion.
+1 on this

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Re: If there's a second term.
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2012, 09:28:07 AM »
I'm going to get my hands on as many guns as I possibly can
+1 and choke bullets!

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Re: If there's a second term.
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2012, 09:33:43 AM »
seriously, do any of us realy believe that nobody would put up a fight for the 2A? 
Me personally am not going to give in no matter what, dont care if they come to my house and threaten to blow me up, I would rather die fighting for my guns and my rights than live without them, 2A is just the tip, that is why, 1 is free speech, 2 is self preservation,, that is how strong I feel about it,, dont really care, the only thing that separates us here in the USA with all the folks getting shot by their own governments is the fact that every redneck and semi redneck and old school hunter has at least one or two guns in the closet, if the government gets that cocky that they say no guns and try to take them away, wouldnt you unite and fight?