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London808

Re: Rifle case @ sams club
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2017, 01:51:36 PM »
Quote from: raudi on December 07, 2017, 01:23:28 PM
anyone know if these are TSA approved?

no such thing as TSA approved but TSA will accept this case
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armsinc

Re: Rifle case @ sams club
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2017, 01:58:07 PM »
These cases are perfect for flying make sure you have your locks ready every airline has different rules and the knowledge on firearm policies are all over the place.
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2ahavvaii

Re: Rifle case @ sams club
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2017, 02:01:04 PM »
thanks for the post.  44 is kinda too short for me.  At 44 max length (and you don't want to be touching on both sides obviously), that's too short for at least half of the common hunting rifles.  And likely all hunting shotguns.  Pretty much only the ones running the short 20-22" barrels will fit.  Oh well cannot win em all.
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2ahavvaii

Re: Rifle case @ sams club
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2017, 02:02:07 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on December 07, 2017, 01:38:45 PM
I don't believe the TSA endorses individual products as "TSA Approved".  The rules on the TSA site state "Travelers may only transport ammunition and unloaded frearms in a locked, hard-sided container as checked baggage..."

The case appears to be very sturdy.  The only concern I have when compared to a similar Pelican case is this has only 2 lock locations.  Pelican has 4 holes for padlocks.  But, if the case can't be pried open between the locks while the latches are released, then its fine.

Only the TSA can tell you for sure.  If you have any doubts or concerns, it's always best to verify with them.  From reading the comments on the Sam's Club site, it looks like this would be fine for air travel.

https://www.samsclub.com/sams/44in-protective-case-member-s-mark/prod21231158.ip

They don't, but if they're bitches, they'll use the "if the case can be pried open and a hand inserted, doesn't pass.  As long as it locks and you can't, you're fine.
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2ahavvaii

Re: Rifle case @ sams club
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2017, 02:13:24 PM »
Quote from: Mr. Farknocker on July 10, 2017, 03:14:50 PM
Be careful using rifle cases to store firearms. The foam padding and case tend to hold moisture and cause rusting of steel parts. Lots of literature out there discussing this issue. I've already ruined a rifle barrel storing it in a case for an extended period of time.

Yeah, especially in hawaii where we deal with daily high humidity.  Not like we're living in the desert with single digit humidity %
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Duenas0326

Re: Rifle case @ sams club
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2017, 08:04:56 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on December 07, 2017, 01:38:45 PM
I don't believe the TSA endorses individual products as "TSA Approved".  The rules on the TSA site state "Travelers may only transport ammunition and unloaded frearms in a locked, hard-sided container as checked baggage..."

The case appears to be very sturdy.  The only concern I have when compared to a similar Pelican case is this has only 2 lock locations.  Pelican has 4 holes for padlocks.  But, if the case can't be pried open between the locks while the latches are released, then its fine.

Only the TSA can tell you for sure.  If you have any doubts or concerns, it's always best to verify with them.  From reading the comments on the Sam's Club site, it looks like this would be fine for air travel.

https://www.samsclub.com/sams/44in-protective-case-member-s-mark/prod21231158.ip

I have traveled with this case from Honolulu to Raleigh NC and back.....This case held up perfectly, I had flown Delta....the case was placed on the belt AFTER it was checked in, declared, and orange card placed inside the case with the firearm. The airline counter personnel will know you have a firearms case upon check in. It was loaded onto the aircraft and upon my arrival in Raleigh, I picked up my case from the "Special Baggage" office in the Baggage Claim. It was "zipped" tied secured by TSA after being screened. Even if someone made an attempt to pry open the case, they would have to cut the zip ties to try to open the case whereby revealing the firearms case was tampered with by airport personnel. Despite the 2 locks for this case, the case is secured.
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Surf

Re: Rifle case @ sams club
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2017, 08:59:19 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on December 07, 2017, 01:38:45 PM
The rules on the TSA site state "Travelers may only transport ammunition and unloaded frearms in a locked, hard-sided container as checked baggage..."
I think this may be in error or misquoted.  Can you point this section out?

From my understanding, ammunition only does not need to be carried in a hard-sided and locked container or suitcase.  The TSA has certain conflicting rules than say Hawaiian Airlines but neither requires the transport of ammunition only to be in a hard-sided and locked case.

According to the TSA you can have magazines or clips that are loaded or unloaded but regardless those magazines, loaded or unloaded, must be stored with the unloaded firearm in a locked case.  TSA does not specify only ammunition and the need to be in a locked case.  Hawaiian Airlines on the other hand, as one example, does not allow loaded magazines to be stowed in the case with the weapon per their policy.  The ammunition must be packed separately.  Both TSA and Hawaiian Air have similar policies on how ammo should be packaged.  Hawaiian does not require ammunition only to be in a locked, hard-sided case, but packaged correctly per their policy. 

The TSA really doesn't care about the weight provided it falls below the 66lb weight limit regulations of air cargo.  The airlines, on the other hand, have their own policies on weight limits.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Rifle case @ sams club
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2017, 09:08:32 PM »
Quote from: Surf on December 07, 2017, 08:59:19 PM
I think this may be in error or misquoted.  Can you point this section out?

From my understanding, ammunition only does not need to be carried in a hard-sided and locked container or suitcase.  The TSA has certain conflicting rules than say Hawaiian Airlines but neither requires the transport of ammunition only to be in a hard-sided and locked case.

According to the TSA you can have magazines or clips that are loaded or unloaded but regardless those magazines, loaded or unloaded, must be stored with the unloaded firearm in a locked case.  TSA does not specify only ammunition and the need to be in a locked case.  Hawaiian Airlines on the other hand, as one example, does not allow loaded magazines to be stowed in the case with the weapon per their policy.  The ammunition must be packed separately.  Both TSA and Hawaiian Air have similar policies on how ammo should be packaged.  Hawaiian does not require ammunition only to be in a locked, hard-sided case, but packaged correctly per their policy. 

The TSA really doesn't care about the weight provided it falls below the 66lb weight limit regulations of air cargo.  The airlines, on the other hand, have their own policies on weight limits.

https://www.tsa.gov/sites/default/files/resources/firearmsammunition_factsheet.pdf

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Surf

Re: Rifle case @ sams club
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2017, 09:25:37 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on December 07, 2017, 09:08:32 PM
The rules on the TSA site state "Travelers may only transport ammunition and unloaded frearms in a locked, hard-sided container as checked baggage..."

Maybe I am hitting the cold meds and Nyquil too heavily at the moment, but are you saying that ammunition only (no firearm involved) must be transported in a secured and locked container according to the TSA?  Or that if you are transporting ammunition in the same case as the firearm, the firearm must be unloaded?  If I am reading this wrong, my apologies.
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ren

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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2017, 09:30:44 PM »
https://www.tsa.gov/sites/default/files/resources/firearmsammunition_factsheet.pdf

Ammunition
• Firearm magazines and ammunition clips, whether loaded or empty, must be securely boxed or included within a hard-sided case containing an unloaded firearm.
• Small arms ammunition, including ammunition not exceeding .75 caliber for a rifle or pistol and shotgun shells of any gauge, may be carried in the same hard-sided case as the firearm, as described in the packing guidelines above.
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Surf

Re: Rifle case @ sams club
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2017, 09:42:10 PM »
Thanks Ren, but that wasn't my question.  I simply read FJ's comment as stating, that if it was ammunition only, no gun, no mags, that the ammo still needed to be locked in a hard sided case, which to my knowledge is not true.  If you have ammo only and no firearms, both the TSA and Hawaiian Air (as one airline example) don't require ammunition only, to be in a locked case.  Maybe I read his explanation wrong.

 
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2ahavvaii

Re: Rifle case @ sams club
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2017, 09:42:32 PM »
And some of the agents here are stickers about ammunition too, wanting only ammo in factory packaging.  Which is why it's good to keep factory packaging, even though you reload, so when you go hunt outer islands it doesnt attract attention.  Stupid, I know, but the TSA agent of the day is the one making up  the rules. And it does make sense in a commie state like hawaii, the TSA will behave the same way.  YMMV of course, just posting my experiences.

And this is also the reason why, at the range sometimes when I'm shooting my hunting rifle, I get guys asking if I'm going to throw away the factory box.
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Surf

Re: Rifle case @ sams club
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2017, 09:55:00 PM »
2A, no doubt you can get different answers from different agents, from different airline supervisors to different airports.  I have had agents weigh the ammo, to agents who didn't care about the ammo at all if there was no firearm being declared.  I have had agents ask to see the firearm, to agents who absolutely did not want the firearm case to be opened.  I have had agents refer to supervisors in regards to the actual airline's policy.  I have had supervisors ask for TSA told the ticketing agent to follow TSA rules, which have in certain cases been different than the actual airline policy. 

With ammo, I have found that factory boxes are the best to travel with.  Even though hard sided, poly containers with individual cells for ammo are better, just travel with factory boxes.
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ren

Re: Rifle case @ sams club
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2017, 10:01:22 PM »
TSA agents actions vary. I was traveling with my match rifle under orders once and a TSA agent opened my case and said I needed to have it on safe. I told him it was unloaded and I should have known better as a service member. I told him if I had to leave it on safe then the hammer is cocked and didn't want to unnecessarily cycle the spring (it was a Geiselle trigger) oh and by the way it was already unloaded. He went so far as to rack it, place it on safe and locked my case up without any answer or consent from me. He also swabbed it for explosives. All the while he explained to me this he said he was in the reserves - an infantry unit.
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Surf

Re: Rifle case @ sams club
« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2017, 10:15:48 PM »
Quote from: ren on December 07, 2017, 10:01:22 PM
TSA agents actions vary. I was traveling with my match rifle under orders once and a TSA agent opened my case and said I needed to have it on safe. I told him it was unloaded and I should have known better as a service member. I told him if I had to leave it on safe then the hammer is cocked and didn't want to unnecessarily cycle the spring (it was a Geiselle trigger) oh and by the way it was already unloaded. He went so far as to rack it, place it on safe and locked my case up without any answer or consent from me. He also swabbed it for explosives. All the while he explained to me this he said he was in the reserves - an infantry unit.
OK, that is a bit much.  Sounds like a guy doing an Al Bundy btdt routine.  I travel with my weapons decocked, including AR/M4/M16 types, so yes safety is off.  We teach our guys to do the same with an unloaded weapon meant for some type of secure storage.  I would not have been happy with him fiddle fucking with my weapon. 

One advantage to a rolling pelican or similar is that you meet with TSA directly, they inspect, swab and tag the case then allow you to lock your own case and it goes out.  Or that is how it should go.  I hate when the agent comes running out and asks for your key or combo so they can open the case in the back.  I'd rather they do it in my presence.  It was always interesting to see certain looks when you had weapons with extra positions on the selectors or cans on the rifles.
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2ahavvaii

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« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2017, 10:21:22 PM »
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sounds like a know it all power tripping type.  who the fuck cares safety on or not.  Mag dropped, chamber clear.  Good to go.

I know guys that pull the bolts from their guns and ship those separate from the firearms, reduces the chances of theft.  If someone steals the firearm, they'll need to replace the bolt, which would be some dollars.  Probably like $200-300 special order only
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Rifle case @ sams club
« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2017, 01:10:45 AM »
If a TSA agent asked for my keys to take into another area with the explanation they need to inspect the contents, I'd refuse unless I can accompany them.  I don't have TSA-accessable locks for a reason.  Where my keys go -- I go. 

They can inspect the case while I watch, and I can verify my property remains in the case and the locks are properly secured on the case.  I will be able to guarantee I get MY KEYS back -- not someone else's, and not some "oh, I thought we already returned them to you."

Yeah, you need to take responsibility for your own firearms when traveling.  No one else will.
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Duenas0326

Re: Rifle case @ sams club
« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2017, 10:28:05 AM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on December 08, 2017, 01:10:45 AM
If a TSA agent asked for my keys to take into another area with the explanation they need to inspect the contents, I'd refuse unless I can accompany them.  I don't have TSA-accessable locks for a reason.  Where my keys go -- I go. 

They can inspect the case while I watch, and I can verify my property remains in the case and the locks are properly secured on the case.  I will be able to guarantee I get MY KEYS back -- not someone else's, and not some "oh, I thought we already returned them to you."

Yeah, you need to take responsibility for your own firearms when traveling.  No one else will.

I can concur with that....upon my return trip back to Honolulu from Raleigh NC I was instructed by the Delta agent at the check in counter to take my firearm case to the "Special Baggage" kiosk on the opposite side of the airport (maybe 150 meters away from the check in counter). As I approached the kiosk there was a female there that checked the baggage tags and asked for my ID to verify that I'm the owner. Duh.... She picked up her 2-way radio and called someone from downstairs to come up. A few moments later a gentlemen came up and asked me about my firearms case and then asked for the keys to the padlock....I was shocked and said "I will NOT hand over my keys to the locks on this case UNLESS I'm there with it" He then said "there are lots of people that do it and there was no problem". After that remark he mentioned that he could "escort" me down to the TSA screening area downstairs, watch the case go thru the scanner and if I have to open it, I can be there to do so. Luckily, the TSA screener thru up a thumbs up and the case was good-to-go. I went back upstairs and proceeded to the checkpoint and to the gate.
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drck1000

Re: Rifle case @ sams club
« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2017, 08:41:45 AM »
One lesson that I learned was to ALWAYS have copies of both TSA's and the airline's policies on hand.  Like many of you, I did lots of research before traveling with my firearms.  That was one of the things stressed, as well as knowing what generally to expect.  When I was checking in at HNL the first time, the agent said I needed TSA locks.  Well, no, and here's the TSA rules and YOUR airline.  She went to check with a supervisor, who confirmed, and was all good.  The only "trick" was to wait in the baggage check in area to allow the gun case to pass TSA, otherwise I would have to come back out.  Most other airports that I've been to have a separate TSA area when you hand off the gun cases to them and they inspect it in front of you.  I've never had them ask me to open up my gun case. 

On one trip, the shooting instructor and I were invited on a flight seeing tour by another shooter in the class.  He was a local and set us up with this sweet flightseeing tour around Denali.  It was AWESOME!  Anyways, I carpooled to the tour with the instructor and I caught a ride with him to the airport after.  He does training all over the world and he often gets to train with explosives and stuff.  TSA gave him a SUPER hard time about this gun case swab.  I thought they were going to have him completely empty his gun case. 

Somewhat back on topic, I've seen some pretty flimsy gun cases when picking up my gun case.  I've seem some with as little as one lock near the middle of the case.  I wouldn't think it would pass the "no pry" rule, but I guess it flew.   ;D  I didn't want to take a chance and ended up getting a Pelican.  However, those cases are damn expensive and that was also when I had more disposable income. 
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changemyoil66

Re: Rifle case @ sams club
« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2017, 11:24:18 AM »
I 2nd carrying the paper copy of all rules.  Because at time of check in, you may fumble trying to find it on your phone.
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