Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle (Read 14944 times)

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akumalio

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2017, 12:43:52 AM »
notice how the media didn't refer to the rifle as an 'assault rifle' but AR-15 Semi-automatic?

oldfart

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2017, 08:01:33 AM »
hmmm

KHON, KITV, Star advertiser has nothing about this
What, Me Worry?

Bushido

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2017, 08:38:59 PM »
Call me an idiot but why would you leave any of your service weapons in your vehicle overnight? Is that a requirement in case they get called upon at a moments notice? I can see other equiptment but firearms and loaded magazines I would not leave in my vehicle.

zippz

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2017, 09:00:18 PM »
It's on KHON2 http://khon2.com/2017/07/28/concerns-raised-after-rifle-stolen-from-police-officers-subsidized-vehicle/.

Shouldn't be illegal for anyone to keep their gun in a car overnight, but it would be poor judgement to do so.  Officer probably left it in there cause they're too lazy to take it out everyday.

Lets not forget to focus on the criminal that stole the stuff.  Gotta lock em all up and keep em locked up.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2017, 10:16:50 PM »
Call me an idiot but why would you leave any of your service weapons in your vehicle overnight? Is that a requirement in case they get called upon at a moments notice? I can see other equiptment but firearms and loaded magazines I would not leave in my vehicle.

Yes and no. It depends whether the gun is locked up inside the vehicle in some sort of box or device as well as how and where the car is parked. Think secure garage vs street parking. Was he even at home or was he out somewhere which he would then want to keep his rifle handy? It might be humbug to take the gun out every day and put it back in everyday.

Rocky

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2017, 08:24:03 AM »

Shouldn't be illegal for anyone to keep their gun in a car overnight, but it would be poor judgement to do so.  Officer probably left it in there cause they're too lazy to take it out everyday.
Lets not forget to focus on the criminal that stole the stuff.  Gotta lock em all up and keep em locked up.

Yes and no. It depends whether the gun is locked up inside the vehicle in some sort of box or device as well as how and where the car is parked. Think secure garage vs street parking. Was he even at home or was he out somewhere which he would then want to keep his rifle handy? It might be humbug to take the gun out every day and put it back in everyday.

        Now because LE is immune to the same laws we are regarding keeping, storing and place to possess firearms, there is a criminal on the streets with an AR.
The LE is the criminal here and it's not the first time here in HI.
Did they ever find the last LE's (white Honda) firearm ?"too lazy to take it out everyday." and 'humbug to take the gun out every day and put it back in everyday."  :wtf:

"GET YOUR FREE AR'S HERE, JUST FOLLOW AN LE HOME ! "   :D
Legal possession of a firearm carry's with it responsibility, geez.  :grrr:
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ren

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2017, 08:35:02 AM »
Policy, law or whatever.
Poor discipline.
When I leave work I have to put away my tools - whether it be a long walk to the tool chest or number of tools I used throughout the day I put them back.
When I was deployed I carried my weapon everywhere even when I was on a FOB. Carried ammo for both sidearm and long gun. When I slept it was right under my bed or on my side where I could get it. I knew where they were. And no one would take them from me without a fight
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2017, 10:26:41 AM »
The military requires members to wear a hat (cover) whenever outside and in uniform.  There was always a discussion as to whether members left their cover in the car so they don't forget it each morning, or if they wore it between the car and the front door as required by regulation.

The answers were varied, but the discussion was intended to demonstrate how some people follow the rules, and others decide which rules are important to follow, and when.  It all comes down to, if you're willing to break some rules you don't think are important, then it's only a matter of time and circumstances until you break a rule that does matter.

I always wore mine into the house, and I kept a spare in the glove box.  Hats are pretty cheap, and they do need replacing periodically.  Maybe this Cop decided taking his weapon in and locking it up was too "humbug", but was it really his decision to make?

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2017, 11:02:12 AM »
        Now because LE is immune to the same laws we are regarding keeping, storing and place to possess firearms, there is a criminal on the streets with an AR.
The LE is the criminal here and it's not the first time here in HI.
Did they ever find the last LE's (white Honda) firearm ?"too lazy to take it out everyday." and 'humbug to take the gun out every day and put it back in everyday."  :wtf:

"GET YOUR FREE AR'S HERE, JUST FOLLOW AN LE HOME ! "   :D
Legal possession of a firearm carry's with it responsibility, geez.  :grrr:

The LEO did not violate any law.

Yes they recovered the firearm from that last officer whose car was taken IIRC.

There isn't much in the way of facts to determine if the officer was negligent or not.

ren

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2017, 11:53:21 AM »
Yes and no. It depends whether the gun is locked up inside the vehicle in some sort of box or device as well as how and where the car is parked. Think secure garage vs street parking. Was he even at home or was he out somewhere which he would then want to keep his rifle handy? It might be humbug to take the gun out every day and put it back in everyday.
Carrying a jackhammer from our company to a jobsite was humbug. Wish I could leave it at the jobsite. I wouldnt because it would get stolen.
While deployed, mounting a 240 on the HMMWV everytime we went out was humbug too. Sometimes theyd get lazy and mount the 249 and that was humbug too.
If it was any one of us citizens we'd be in jail. While you can argue that firearms are a tool for LE so they are exempt from storing it in their vehicles it is the same argumemt for non LE citizens. Firearms are a tool no matter who owns them and the responsibility should be the same.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2017, 12:02:14 PM by ren »
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2017, 09:28:09 PM »
Carrying a jackhammer from our company to a jobsite was humbug. Wish I could leave it at the jobsite. I wouldnt because it would get stolen.
While deployed, mounting a 240 on the HMMWV everytime we went out was humbug too. Sometimes theyd get lazy and mount the 249 and that was humbug too.
If it was any one of us citizens we'd be in jail. While you can argue that firearms are a tool for LE so they are exempt from storing it in their vehicles it is the same argumemt for non LE citizens. Firearms are a tool no matter who owns them and the responsibility should be the same.

Actually no, people wouldn't necessarily be if a firearm was stolen from their vehicle, except maybe in a few circumstances.  People have had firearms stolen from their vehicle before and not arrested for it.

Again, the article doesn't seem to indicate much in terms of where or how the firearm was stolen. What if it was stolen from his locked garage, or on his way home from work when he stopped at the supermarket, or did he leave it in plain view of his car parked on the street? There are a lot of unknown variables before negligence or fault can be determined.

aieahound

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2017, 11:19:15 PM »
Per article:

Parked near his Hawaii Kai home. ( not in, which would be the garage )
If any of us parked on the street or stopped at the store, it would be a violation of law for place to keep if I'm not mistaken.

dogman

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2017, 06:07:15 AM »
It's on KHON2 http://khon2.com/2017/07/28/concerns-raised-after-rifle-stolen-from-police-officers-subsidized-vehicle/.
While I am still not a fan of Will Espero, other than using the term "assault rifle", he actually sounded sensible in his interview.

punaperson

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2017, 06:51:16 AM »
[Double-posted from the kindergarten nanny-state electronic-device-in-crosswalk-criminalization thread]:

Be sure to check out the story of the cop's "very dangerous... assault rifle" (Will Espero) that was stolen out of his "subsidized vehicle" while parked overnight "near his home" at http://khon2.com/2017/07/28/concerns-raised-after-rifle-stolen-from-police-officers-subsidized-vehicle/

The "still" image for the video report includes an officer walking across the crosswalk talking on his phone! Another case of do as you're told, not as I do, as "I'm a cop and exempt from the laws that control (and I enforce against) you peons". You can see the cop walking and talking at the same time at 1:37.

Then the cops use this argument against them having to be subject to the same laws as everyone else (i.e. non-cops):

"Thefts of officer equipment are rare."

So what do these numbers mean if "rare" is a valid criterion for and justification for laws existing or not?

Crime rate per 100k people:
 
General population: 3,817
Police officers: 108
Legal CCW: 18

Pretty sure the only conclusion using the "rare" rationale is that fewer cops should be carrying guns and way more than zero citizens should be carrying in public. Perhaps they only selectively cherry-pick their application of the "rare" rationale?

macsak

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2017, 07:50:00 AM »
While I am still not a fan of Will Espero, other than using the term "assault rifle", he actually sounded sensible in his interview.

i went back in, forgot my kangol

Rocky

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2017, 10:40:56 AM »

The "still" image for the video report includes an officer walking across the crosswalk talking on his phone! Another case of do as you're told, not as I do, as "I'm a cop and exempt from the laws that control (and I enforce against) you peons". You can see the cop walking and talking at the same time at 1:37.
Nice one  :thumbsup:
"officer walking across the crosswalk talking on his phone" in video at 1:34

EEF:
"The LEO did not violate any law."
           My comment was my opinion in reference to LE not subject to the same laws as us "law abiding citizens" as it would have been a crime for us.
Why the double standard again.
Regardless "Legal possession of a firearm carry's with it responsibility"

Yes they recovered the firearm from that last officer whose car was taken IIRC.
SOURCE ?
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ren

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2017, 11:42:11 AM »
Actually no, people wouldn't necessarily be if a firearm was stolen from their vehicle, except maybe in a few circumstances.  People have had firearms stolen from their vehicle before and not arrested for it.

Again, the article doesn't seem to indicate much in terms of where or how the firearm was stolen. What if it was stolen from his locked garage, or on his way home from work when he stopped at the supermarket, or did he leave it in plain view of his car parked on the street? There are a lot of unknown variables before negligence or fault can be determined.

There was one incident a few years ago when a person had his shotgun stolen at Ala Moana Shopping center. He was arrested because he left it in his vehicle and went shopping. Cant find the article but it was discussed here. 
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2017, 11:57:58 AM »
There was one incident a few years ago when a person had his shotgun stolen at Ala Moana Shopping center. He was arrested because he left it in his vehicle and went shopping. Cant find the article but it was discussed here.

Similar .....

2007

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Man hides, loses gun, gets arrested

Police arrested a 67-year-old Laie man who reported his shotgun missing yesterday.

Police said the man had gone up Plantation Road into the mountains in Laie on Saturday to do some
target shooting and left his Mossberg shotgun hidden in some bushes.

The man went in to the Kahuku Police Station yesterday and reported his shotgun stolen, police said.

Police opened a first-degree theft case and also arrested him for investigation of a firearms violation.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

new guy

Re: Rifle stolen from HPD vehicle
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2017, 01:11:09 PM »
In my opinion, several of the posts in this thread should have been prefaced with a statement along the lines of, "I am not a (subject matter expert/lawyer/etc), but in my opinion..."

Not trying to single anyone out with this comment, because this happens quite frequently, but when speaking about certain issues (safety-related, legal, etc., in particular), I am concerned that, without such caveats, there exists a real danger of spreading inaccurate information, to the detriment of the community.

I don't think anyone should rely on the advice from an anonymous post on the internet, but when someone makes a conscious effort to post about certain issues (i.e., safety-related, legal, etc), I personally believe that the individual has a duty to post responsibily, or explicitly state that he/she is simply stating an opinion, so as not to spread misleading or inaccurate information.

... again, this is just my opinion.
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