John McCain Casts Legacy Vote Against American People To Continue ObamaCare (Read 13880 times)

punaperson

I've never liked John McCain. Something about him... like Nixon and Clinton(s) and Obama and... (oh, hell, the list is way too long). I think this article makes good points as to why that "distrust" is justified.

 

John McCain Casts Legacy Vote Against American People – Votes To Continue ObamaCare…

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/07/28/john-mccain-casts-legacy-vote-against-american-people-votes-to-continue-obamacare/

At 1:45am on July 28th 2017, Republican Senator John McCain together with Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins voted against the ObamaCare repeal in the Senate; ensuring the failing ObamaCare health care takeover and economic drag continues.

This should not come as a surprise.  McCain has a legacy of voting against the American people to the benefit of his corrupt legislative corporate handlers.  Yet, the vote was still blood-boiling in ramification and consequence.
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Senator McCain’s vote holds much larger ramifications than just the continuance of ObamaCare.  Inherent within the retention is a reality that any tax reform, tax cuts to benefit the middle-class, will also necessarily be diminished.

The expansion of Medicaid within ObamaCare has, by intention and design, blown a massive hole in the federal budget.

When tax reform legislation is now proposed the CBO scoring will have to factor in a large projected need for additional tax revenue.  This reality essentially dooms the middle-class tax proposal of the White House unless adjustments are made.
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What both sides of the UniParty fear is losing an election to uncontrollable actual outsiders who possess differing priorities and ideas that are counter to the best interests of the swamp.

Sear this into the psychological vault of cold anger.

rklapp

We're all going to die!!!
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dafrtknocker

zippz

I don't like that McCain voted against the repeal and am disappointed.  However McCain has sacrificed his life for America and it's values more than 99.999% of Americans so I still respect him and his decision.  With someone with a history like his, I still have to give him some credibility even if I don't like it.

punaperson

However McCain has sacrificed his life for America and it's values more than 99.999% of Americans so I still respect him and his decision.  With someone with a history like his, I still have to give him some credibility even if I don't like it.
Some people (including vets) are not in accord with your assessment:

The War Secrets Sen. John McCain Hides
Former POW Fights Public Access to POW/MIA Files

http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm

MCCAIN AND THE POW COVER-UP
The 'war hero' candidate buried information about POWs left behind in Vietnam

http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/

Turncoat John McCain Refuses Free VA Surgery For Brain Tumor

For many years, McCain has been noted as being a traitor to any advancement of veterans rights despite supporting many wars and conflicts without budgetary care or concern.

http://www.disabledveterans.org/2017/07/20/turncoat-john-mccain-refuses-free-va-surgery-for-brain-tumor/

mrgaf

Some people (including vets) are not in accord with your assessment:

The War Secrets Sen. John McCain Hides
Former POW Fights Public Access to POW/MIA Files

http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm

MCCAIN AND THE POW COVER-UP
The 'war hero' candidate buried information about POWs left behind in Vietnam

http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/

Turncoat John McCain Refuses Free VA Surgery For Brain Tumor

For many years, McCain has been noted as being a traitor to any advancement of veterans rights despite supporting many wars and conflicts without budgetary care or concern.

http://www.disabledveterans.org/2017/07/20/turncoat-john-mccain-refuses-free-va-surgery-for-brain-tumor/

Thank you! 👍🏼😄

« Last Edit: July 28, 2017, 04:25:51 PM by mrgaf »
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

mrgaf

I don't like that McCain voted against the repeal and am disappointed.  However McCain has sacrificed his life for America and it's values more than 99.999% of Americans so I still respect him and his decision.  With someone with a history like his, I still have to give him some credibility even if I don't like it.

I'm a Wounded Vietnam vet and served 21 years in the Navy. True McCain did serve but that does not absolve him of what an asshole he's become. There are a lot of vets who can't stand him, me being one. I respect his service but him, hell no! Sacrifice? Come on! He was not drafted, he volunteered, like myself. He's not a hero by a long shot. HE WAS DOING HIS DUTY AND THATS THAT. He was paid to do a job, did what he was paid to do knowing full well the risks that came with that job. Sacrifice his life? Come on! He's a multi millionaire! Some sacrifice. I don't see him walking the streets helping homeless vets! He's a parasite off the backs of hard working Americans, just another turd in the political toilet. Time to call a POS a POS. I respect your opinion but, IMHO, I'll hoist the Bravo Sierra flag on this one. 😏
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

eyeeatingfish

Is it fair to characterize his vote as one intent on continuing Obamacare? I think we can conclude he disagreed with the bill as put forth but that doesn't necessarily mean he wants Obamacare to continue.

I don't even think it fair to call him a traitor to conservatives. No one group owns the term and gets to be arbiter because of a divergence on a certain issue.

One more point I am curious to consider, are Mccain's constituents happy with his choices? Remember that a congressperson's obligation is to represent the people who elected them, not to side with some party line. If Arizonans wanted Mccain to vote this way then I think one could argue he was right to do so.

punaperson

Is it fair to characterize his vote as one intent on continuing Obamacare? I think we can conclude he disagreed with the bill as put forth but that doesn't necessarily mean he wants Obamacare to continue.

His vote resulted in Obamacare continuing as is. Had he voted otherwise all that would have happened is the bill would have gone to a joint committee hearing. His vote made it possible for Obamacare to continue as is. So, yes, it's "fair", because that's exactly what it did. His "intent" is irrelevant (See: "I didn't mean to kill her.")

I don't even think it fair to call him a traitor to conservatives. No one group owns the term and gets to be arbiter because of a divergence on a certain issue.

Trump's coattails, whatever you call them, "conservative" or not, included as a major plank "repeal and replace" Obamacare. The senate had the Republican numbers to accomplish at least some form of that, but McCain chose not to vote with the vast majority of the Republicans (2 others voted with McCain, 49 did not) who were elected at least in part to repeal and replace the ACA. You don't own the term either, nor get to be the sole arbiter of it's use either, and anyone can use it any way they want. People may disagree about it's meaning, and how it applies to certain specific issues or bills, but your pronouncement is meaningless as people are free to use the term any way they choose and then make arguments for the validity of their use.

One more point I am curious to consider, are Mccain's constituents happy with his choices? Remember that a congressperson's obligation is to represent the people who elected them, not to side with some party line. If Arizonans wanted Mccain to vote this way then I think one could argue he was right to do so.

How would we know? "Polling"? That's a joke. You mean "constituents" who are legal residents of the state or do you mean the illegal aliens that have flooded Arizona and use massive amounts of the ACA benefits, including in "sanctuary cities" there? I'm sure they want McCain to continue their benefits. How many illegal non-citizens voted for McCain? Is an elected official "bound" to vote for the wishes of his constituents? So if they want an "open border" or to repeal civil rights laws or re-establish slavery or enact any law that violates the Constitution the "representative" has a moral obligation to vote for those?

eyeeatingfish

His vote resulted in Obamacare continuing as is. Had he voted otherwise all that would have happened is the bill would have gone to a joint committee hearing. His vote made it possible for Obamacare to continue as is. So, yes, it's "fair", because that's exactly what it did. His "intent" is irrelevant (See: "I didn't mean to kill her.")

I disagree with that "if you aren't for us you are against us" logic. Now if he did nothing in terms of input then I would agree with you however if he stated what objections he had and what sort of new system he would support then you cannot claim he wanted Obamacare to stay in place.

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How would we know? "Polling"? That's a joke. You mean "constituents" who are legal residents of the state or do you mean the illegal aliens that have flooded Arizona and use massive amounts of the ACA benefits, including in "sanctuary cities" there? I'm sure they want McCain to continue their benefits. How many illegal non-citizens voted for McCain? Is an elected official "bound" to vote for the wishes of his constituents? So if they want an "open border" or to repeal civil rights laws or re-establish slavery or enact any law that violates the Constitution the "representative" has a moral obligation to vote for those?

I am not going to entertain some red herring about hypothetical illegal aliens voting in Arizona. Polling is not a joke but that is a separate issue. My main point was that a Senator is obligated to their people, not to the rest of the country or the party or the president. He didn't betray anyone other than Arizona voters (if that is what they wanted)

Flapp_Jackson

Arizona is seeing the steepest increases in healthcare costs under Obamacare, yet Senator John McCain voted to let the law stand.

He knows this is hurting his constituents, yet he refuses to repeal the law.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., called the Affordable Care Act a “failure.”

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“Arizona families are demanding affordability, accessibility and choice when it comes to their health care – not the expensive,
restrictive and poor quality care that has been forced upon them by Obamacare,” McCain said in a statement. “Until President
Obama and Congressional Democrats wake up to the law’s failure, and until we repeal and replace it with solutions that
encourage competition and put patients back in charge, the Washington-knows-best approach will continue to unfairly burden
the Arizona families it was supposed to help.”

He campaigned on repealing Obamacare. His state is impacted more than any other state, and yet he killed the measure to repeal.

You be the judge....

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/10/25/arizona-obamacare-premiums/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Arizona is seeing the steepest increases in healthcare costs under Obamacare, yet Senator John McCain voted to let the law stand.

He knows this is hurting his constituents, yet he refuses to repeal the law.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., called the Affordable Care Act a “failure.”

He campaigned on repealing Obamacare. His state is impacted more than any other state, and yet he killed the measure to repeal.

You be the judge....

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/10/25/arizona-obamacare-premiums/

Well lets just hope he actually puts forth a better idea that everyone can vote on to clear his name.

punaperson

Here's another column from today that argues the "merits" of McCain's usefulness to the Democrats... so much so their House leaders says the Democrats don't even have to be concerned about losing the 2018 elections...

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/07/pelosi_not_important_for_dems_to_win_2018_elections.html

Pelosi: Not important for Dems to win 2018 elections

We make fun of Nancy Pelosi, but she was a far more effective speaker of the House to push the Obama agenda than Paul Ryan has been to push the Trump agenda.  But in all fairness to the Republican leadership, the Democrats are loyal to their president and vote the straight party line.  A few Democrats like Senator Manchin of West Virginia will make some noise of independence, but when the votes are cast, they do what they're told.

On Sunday, July 30, 2017, Nancy Pelosi said it is "unimportant" for Democrats to win the midterm elections in 2018.

Pelosi is correct.  With John McCain, Susan Collins, and Lisa Murkowski in the Senate, who needs Democrats to stop the Trump agenda?  These "Republicans" voted against repeal of Obamacare.

McCain voted against the Bush tax cuts in 2001, and he will probably vote against the Trump tax cuts just because he is McCain.  McCain's most significant legislation in thirty (30) years as a senator is the McCain-Feingold law, which restricted free speech during elections.  Bush should have vetoed it, but he signed it into law.

In Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 558 U.S. 310 (2010), the Supreme Court ruled  that the First Amendment prohibits the  government from restricting independent political expenditures by nonprofit corporations, for-profit corporations, labor unions, and other associations.  The Democrats rail against Citizens United at every opportunity.  But McCain pushed for his law with the liberal Russ Feingold.  McCain attacked the Supreme Court's decision, saying it was the "worst decision ever." This is quite a statement considering the Dred Scott case and Roe v. Wade, among others.

Why should the Dems spend money to win some House seats?

If the House passes a bill the Dems do not like, and with the Republicans having only fifty-two nominal "Republicans" in the Senate, the defection of several "Republicans" will kill the House-passed bill.  This means that McCain has finally achieved his dream of being Mr. Bipartisan, Mr. Reach across the Aisle.  He can block any bill the Democrats do not like.

Since he is at the end of his career, he should do the honest and honorable act: switch his party registration to Democrat and stop pretending he is a Republican.  He will be at home with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

changemyoil66

Didn't Trump sign an XO to have all senators and such on Obama care and not that special medical program they have?

My issue with McCain is that he said vets should go to the VA and that its very good, but he hasn't. 

To be fair, I never fully researched the above, just briefly read a story about it.  So it may not be true.

You have to ask yourself, if he wasn't a POW, would people still tolerate him today?  People change over time.  Look at Hillary when she was 1st lady, she did good stuff with the kids,etc... and wasn't the monster she is now.  Bill stayed cool through out the years.

Flapp_Jackson

Didn't Trump sign an XO to have all senators and such on Obama care and not that special medical program they have?

My issue with McCain is that he said vets should go to the VA and that its very good, but he hasn't. 

To be fair, I never fully researched the above, just briefly read a story about it.  So it may not be true.

You have to ask yourself, if he wasn't a POW, would people still tolerate him today?  People change over time.  Look at Hillary when she was 1st lady, she did good stuff with the kids,etc... and wasn't the monster she is now.  Bill stayed cool through out the years.

Benedict Arnold was an American Continental Army General before he became a traitor and joined the British Army as a Brigadier General.  That's after he tried to hand strategic forts over to the British he commanded.

Just like the stock market, past performance does not predict future behavior.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rklapp

Is it time to chastise Jeff Flake here or will this be a separate thread?

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/31/my-party-is-in-denial-about-donald-trump-215442
Yahh! Freedom and justice shall always prevail over tyranny, Babysitter Girl!
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Heavies

Seems establishment, republicans and democrats, are NOT ready to give up power.....   JMHO

rklapp

Seems establishment, republicans and democrats, are NOT ready to give up power.....   JMHO
Agreed. Why would they?
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drck1000

Seems establishment, republicans and democrats, are NOT ready to give up power.....   JMHO
From Shooter:

"There are no sides. There's no Sunnis and Shiites. There's no Democrats and Republicans. There's only HAVES and HAVE-NOTS."

They were talking about this a month or so ago on NPR and I believe it's true.  That and about the importance of a middle class to the upper/haves class.  Lots of money and power there.   

punaperson

By the way, these accusations against McCain aren't anything new by any means. From 2014:

(You can read the entire "censure" statement at a link within the news article.)

Arizona Republicans Censure John McCain

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/danieldoherty/2014/01/13/john-mccain-censured-byhis-own-party-n1777822

According to Republican officials in Arizona, Sen. John “the Maverick” McCain has sided with “liberal Democrats” too many times over the years, and therefore, the Maricopa County Republican Party has voted to censure him:

The Maricopa County Republican Party has voted overwhelmingly to censure Senator John McCain (R-AZ).

"Members of the group feel the senator has failed to stand behind the Republican Party's principles and crossed the aisle and voted with Democrats too many times.
Many GOP members are using the term "RINO" to describe McCain, which stands for "Republican in Name Only.""

The vote was 1,150 for the censure and 351 against.