City locks up people for carrying guns legally licensed (Read 4850 times)

MuffinMan

changemyoil66

Re: City locks up people for carrying guns legally licensed
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2017, 08:37:26 AM »
NY has some crazy laws out there to protect its citizens.

As long as you declare a firearm with TSA in NY, and you don't have  a NY permit, they will arrest you.  Even if you never left the airport and had a 12 hour layover and collected your checked bag.

CA has a law that certain models of handguns are illegal, like the VP9 and Shield I think.

zippz

Re: City locks up people for carrying guns legally licensed
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2017, 08:44:11 AM »
It's not legally licensed, it may be licensed in another state but that license is worthless in NYC.  There's the Federal law (FOPA) that can clear you if you're passing straight through the State, but it's something you bring up as your defense during a trial.  In the news story FOPA doesn't apply since she was staying in NYC.  I know 2a and all that...

The state of NY has requirements to own a firearm, but NYC goes a step beyond and has their own draconian requirements as well.  An instructor told me about the catch 22 when applying for a NYC permit.  You need to take a firearms class to get your permit and to be able to fire a gun.  But you can't fire a gun in the class because you don't have a permit.  So the class has their live-fire at a range outside of NYC.  All kinds of crazy requirements there to get your permit http://newyorkcityguns.com/getting-a-nyc-handgun-permit/

When I travel to the east coast, I really have to research where I'm flying into.  Baltimore has similar gun laws as NYC and there's reports of people getting arrested checking in their guns at the airport.  Boston also requires a license to possess and I believe they arrested people at the airport in the past but not recently.  https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150101/guide-to-the-interstate-transportation

rklapp

Re: City locks up people for carrying guns legally licensed
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2017, 09:13:00 AM »
Thank God for New Jersey!
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changemyoil66

Re: City locks up people for carrying guns legally licensed
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2017, 12:29:46 PM »
Thank God for New Jersey!

Gov Christy just pardoned a nurse who was traveling from her job that she got robbed at.  She got pulled over and didn't have her NJ CCW, but had her home state CCW.  The gov pardoned her.  But she was in jail for 60 days prior to that and lost her job.  I guess she didn't stop at state lines and disarm.

akumalio

Re: City locks up people for carrying guns legally licensed
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2017, 03:09:56 PM »
Had a similar experience when I was traveling THROUGH NYC (JFK) connecting to Arlington, VA. I was changing planes and carriers so I had to retrieve my bags/firearm and re-check them in with Delta in another terminal. The Delta agent was inexperienced and had a hard time understanding why I had a firearm. New York Port Authority was called and I was questioned for about 45 min. I asked them if they were familiar with FOPA and they had me prove that I was only transiting through the state and not staying. I had to show documentation from my Hawaiian flight to JFK, my Delta Confirmation/ticket, all of my CCW cards, and explain to them that we aren't required to carry our firearm registration in Hawaii. Once they were satisfied, they cleared my bags and firearm through TSA and I was allowed to proceed to security. They were upset that I had possession of my firearm from baggage claim in one terminal to the Delta check-in counter but couldn't really do much about it. I asked them if they would have escorted me and my bags from point A to B and they said 'No'.  ??? ???

I would never go through JFK again with a firearm unless I really had no other option due to travel arrangements. But it does pay to know the local laws as well as federal.

RSN172

Re: City locks up people for carrying guns legally licensed
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2017, 06:38:07 AM »
That is why I no longer go to NY, been there four times in the past.  No longer will go to CA, been there at least 40 times previously or to any state that will not honor the CCW permits that I have.  Except for the fact that I am stuck living in Hawaii for now, I wouldn't even come here.
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drck1000

Re: City locks up people for carrying guns legally licensed
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2017, 10:14:12 AM »
I thought as long as you didn't leave the airport premises that you were good?  Something about the airport property itself not technically being in the jurisdiction of the city where it's located.  I recall many warnings about travel arrangements when considering stopovers with potential for delays.  Or maybe it was caution not to accept your baggage at the intermediate stop. . .

I have flown through LAX/SFO a bunch of times and luckily haven't had any delays.  I've only been rerouted once that I can remember and that was to Pittsburg to refuel until the weather could clear at JFK.  You're sort of at the mercy of circumstances and I would hope that common sense would prevail in cases like that, but I can also see how technicalities of absurd gun laws just meant to trip people up as opposed to being truly effective at reducing crime.   

Flapp_Jackson

Re: City locks up people for carrying guns legally licensed
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2017, 11:11:37 AM »
I thought as long as you didn't leave the airport premises that you were good?  Something about the airport property itself not technically being in the jurisdiction of the city where it's located.  I recall many warnings about travel arrangements when considering stopovers with potential for delays.  Or maybe it was caution not to accept your baggage at the intermediate stop. . .

I have flown through LAX/SFO a bunch of times and luckily haven't had any delays.  I've only been rerouted once that I can remember and that was to Pittsburg to refuel until the weather could clear at JFK.  You're sort of at the mercy of circumstances and I would hope that common sense would prevail in cases like that, but I can also see how technicalities of absurd gun laws just meant to trip people up as opposed to being truly effective at reducing crime.

From reading cases -- not firsthand experience -- you can't take possession of your firearms while in NY unless you have a NY handgun license.  If you get stuck there overnight due to an unexpected layover, don't claim the weapon.  Leave it with the airline overnight.  That way you don't have to check it in again.  Once the firearm is declared at check-in, you risk the employee calling the police.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/10/nyregion/lawful-handguns-departing-for-new-york-but-unlawful-upon-arrival.html
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