Gun Confiscation in US Vurgin Isles (Read 11257 times)

Old Guy

Gun Confiscation in US Vurgin Isles
« on: September 05, 2017, 09:01:23 PM »
Yes, this can happen in Hawaii, I believe the legislature has passed a law that allows for it.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/05/virgin-islands-allows-national-guard-to-seize-guns-ammo-ahead-of-hurricane-irma/

Glad we are now in TEXAS

zippz

Re: Gun Confiscation in US Vurgin Isles
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2017, 09:07:55 PM »
Similar to what was going on in American Samoa where they tried to ban guns, then when that failed, put a hefty tax on guns which also failed.  Claimed that territories had no 2nd amendment rights.

London808

Re: Gun Confiscation in US Vurgin Isles
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2017, 09:12:53 PM »
Yes, this can happen in Hawaii, I believe the legislature has passed a law that allows for it.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/05/virgin-islands-allows-national-guard-to-seize-guns-ammo-ahead-of-hurricane-irma/

Glad we are now in TEXAS

Hawaii passed a law banning the confiscation of guns in time of emergency.

134-7.2  Prohibition against seizure of firearms or ammunition during emergency or disaster; suspension of permit or license.  (a)  Notwithstanding any provision of chapter 127A or any other law to the contrary, no person or government entity shall seize or confiscate, under any emergency or disaster relief powers or functions conferred, or during any emergency period, as defined in section 127A-2, or during any time of national emergency or crisis, as defined in section 134-34, any firearm or ammunition from any individual who is lawfully permitted to carry or possess the firearm or ammunition under part I of this chapter and who carries, possesses, or uses the firearm or ammunition in a lawful manner and in accordance with the criminal laws of this State.
     (b)  Notwithstanding any provision of chapter 127A or any other law to the contrary, no person or government entity shall suspend, revoke, or limit, under any emergency or disaster relief powers or functions conferred, any lawfully acquired and maintained permit or license obtained under and in accordance with part I of this chapter.
     (c)  For purposes of this section, "government entity" means any unit of government in this State, including the State and any county or combination of counties, department, agency, institution, board, commission, district, council, bureau, office, governing authority, or other instrumentality of state or county government, or corporation or other establishment owned, operated, or managed by or on behalf of this State or any county.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

punaperson

Re: Gun Confiscation in US Vurgin Isles
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2017, 07:23:58 AM »
A Remembrance of Days Gone By [On the last time a major hurricane struck the Virgin Islands...]

In a wave of lawlessness that spread across the island, eyewitnesses reported looting by men and women, children and the elderly, even police and National Guardsmen. Armed gangs were reported roaming the streets. Ham radio operators said between 300 and 500 inmates had broken out of a hurricane-damaged prison and were loose in the city. [http://articles.latimes.com/1989-09-21/news/mn-890_1_virgin-islands]

From David Codrea's War on Guns blog:

What better time to have laws in place that authorize disarming the people who obeyed them and registered their guns?

http://waronguns.blogspot.nl/2017/09/a-remembrance-of-days-gone-by.html

changemyoil66

Re: Gun Confiscation in US Vurgin Isles
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2017, 09:16:00 AM »
Glad Hawaii passed 1 pro 2a law HRS 134-7.2.

But if push comes to shove, will HPD come knocking on your door and would you "fight back".

I printed out all the HRS because at time of a disaster, I will assume power will be out so I'll be unable to pull it online.  This way I can at least show HPD that they're wrong.

InB4 They fell off my boat.

RSN172

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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2017, 11:21:50 AM »
If I had a gun, I would hide it off my property.  Gun confiscation would begin in the city way before they would come to a sparsely populated area like where I live, so I would have plenty of notice.  In any case the point is moot in my case since I no longer own guns, other than an airsoft and pellet rifle.
Happily living in Puna

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Gun Confiscation in US Vurgin Isles
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2017, 11:33:10 AM »
If I had a gun, I would hide it off my property.  Gun confiscation would begin in the city way before they would come to a sparsely populated area like where I live, so I would have plenty of notice.  In any case the point is moot in my case since I no longer own guns, other than an airsoft and pellet rifle.

There are only a half dozen places you are legally allowed to store/keep your registered firearms.  If it's off your property, you can be charged not only with that violation, but also obstructing a police officer.

Registration never solves crimes, but it does create new criminals.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

raudi

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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2017, 11:37:18 AM »
lost all of mine in a tragic boating accident

Flapp_Jackson

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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2017, 11:41:50 AM »
lost all of mine in a tragic boating accident

I plan to leave all of mine outside in the trash toter for the Cops to confiscate, just to make it more convenient for them.

I'm pretty sure it'll be on trash collection day.   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rklapp

Yahh! Freedom and justice shall always prevail over tyranny, Babysitter Girl!
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RSN172

Re: Gun Confiscation in US Vurgin Isles
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2017, 05:00:44 PM »
There are only a half dozen places you are legally allowed to store/keep your registered firearms.  If it's off your property, you can be charged not only with that violation, but also obstructing a police officer.

Registration never solves crimes, but it does create new criminals.

I guess I'll have to give them my pellet rifle then.  They would also be breaking the law by confiscating  guns anyway.  Hiding the guns would actually be helping the cops obey tne law.  We all want to obey the law.
Happily living in Puna

London808

Re: Gun Confiscation in US Vurgin Isles
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2017, 05:32:25 PM »
If I had a gun, I would hide it off my property.  Gun confiscation would begin in the city way before they would come to a sparsely populated area like where I live, so I would have plenty of notice.  In any case the point is moot in my case since I no longer own guns, other than an airsoft and pellet rifle.

Gun confiscation would likely start at people whos last name begins with A OR with whoever has the most register guns.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

London808

Re: Gun Confiscation in US Vurgin Isles
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2017, 05:34:52 PM »
There are only a half dozen places you are legally allowed to store/keep your registered firearms.  If it's off your property, you can be charged not only with that violation, but also obstructing a police officer.

Registration never solves crimes, but it does create new criminals.

Hawaii's place to keep laws are unconstitutional hence why you dont hear of people being charged under them, You have the right to bear arms any place you have the legal right to be and the right to travel between those places.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

punaperson

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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2017, 06:50:37 PM »
Hawaii's place to keep laws are unconstitutional hence why you dont hear of people being charged under them, You have the right to bear arms any place you have the legal right to be and the right to travel between those places.
In my discussions with the Hawaii County Prosecuting Attorney (originally focused on whether or not it is legal to discharge a firearm on my 4 acre property) I got around to mentioning that there is a "rumor" that no one has ever been charged and prosecuted solely (not as part of the charges during commission of another crime) for carrying without a license, because, the rumor has it, "they" don't want a test case to challenge the law. His instant response, at approximately twice the decibel level of the preceding conversation was "That's bullshit". I'm not making this up. I then asked him to provide me with the case names or numbers so I could look up those cases and see what the details of those cases were. It's almost a year later and he hasn't gotten back to me with the case names or numbers. If anyone knows of such cases, I'd be really interested to read about them and see if those arrests and prosecutions resulted in convictions, acquittals, or were plea-bargained down to some other charge.

changemyoil66

Re: Gun Confiscation in US Vurgin Isles
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2017, 09:41:10 AM »
Hawaii's place to keep laws are unconstitutional hence why you dont hear of people being charged under them, You have the right to bear arms any place you have the legal right to be and the right to travel between those places.


I heard that some guy got his guns stolen while parked at ala moana shopping center.  He's still sitting in jail for the "places to keep" violation.

Again "heard", so not sure if 100% accurate, but I trust the source.  Is there a way we can pull court documents and search by violation?

bass monkey

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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2017, 10:14:34 AM »
Is confiscation still illegal if we get placed under martial law?

changemyoil66

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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2017, 11:11:06 AM »
Is confiscation still illegal if we get placed under martial law?

How I interpreted HRS134-7.2 yes.  It mentions "government entity".  So PD, military, etc...should fall under that as long as the following is declared "crisis, national emergency, emergency, disaster relief, or emergency period"

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0007_0002.htm

Now if nothing is declared, then they can still take your stuff away.

Flapp_Jackson

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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2017, 11:56:12 AM »
Is confiscation still illegal if we get placed under martial law?

If martial law were to be proclaimed, the government can include a suspension of any or all Constitutional protections.  What's in the law or Constitution would be irrelevant at that point.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2017, 05:32:12 PM »
If I had a gun, I would hide it off my property.  Gun confiscation would begin in the city way before they would come to a sparsely populated area like where I live, so I would have plenty of notice.  In any case the point is moot in my case since I no longer own guns, other than an airsoft and pellet rifle.

I was just thinking about how I would hide my guns if someone came knocking for them. A whole in the ground? Some disguised piece of the house?

eyeeatingfish

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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2017, 05:35:09 PM »
If martial law were to be proclaimed, the government can include a suspension of any or all Constitutional protections.  What's in the law or Constitution would be irrelevant at that point.

There is a section of Hawaii law that states what a governor can do in times of martial law. I would have to dig to find it again. It did allow for the governor to suspend enforcement of (some?) laws I don't think the constitution went out the window. If the constitution can be thrown out the window then arguably you have no government or country and then martial law would not be valid in my opinion.