https://apnews.com/e74a33083fb84b1b94c1ce3da986fd4f

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That's what it sounded like to me and what I told inquiring family members.

So I guess the snowflakes are going to make them illegal. Just like a how an ar15 looks like a military weapon And they argue the public should not need one. But you can pick up a wood hunting rifle and kill just the same. I live in Hilo but am im Oklahoma right now for school. Everyone here open/conceal carries.

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I suggested to one liberal I was debating on Facebook that if you want real progress in congress you need actual compromise. Her suggestion was we keep some guns but don't keep others. I pointed out nothing is gained by one side. I then suggested a real example would be a banning of bump-fire type devices in exchange for national CCW. Waiting for her reply.

I have a feeling bump stocks and cranks will either be banned or regulated, which essentially is a ban. Not many people would pay the stamp for those gimmick devices. Bump stocks can be made with a 3D printer. Bad guys don't care about laws, so they will surely find a way to do what they intend to do. In the case of someone intending to commit a mass murder, what's the difference if he breaks one law or a hundred. He pretty much had enough money to buy stuff legally or he surely could have obtained these weapons illegally, if he had been prohibited from obtaining them legally.

Not knowing much about bump stocks, let me ask a dumb question. Since the bump stock does not modify the gun in any way, what is the advantage to using one compared to just pulling the trigger fast?

Not knowing much about bump stocks, let me ask a dumb question. Since the bump stock does not modify the gun in any way, what is the advantage to using one compared to just pulling the trigger fast?

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Your finger doesn't get tired.

But seriously, how hard is it to rig up something to pull a trigger? Not very hard.
Friends had a cranking gadget hooked up to an electric shoe shine motor...spectacular.

They just want more reason to take our guns away from us. If I wasn't born and raised in Hawaii with family ties. I definitely would move to a red state.

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Not knowing much about bump stocks, let me ask a dumb question. Since the bump stock does not modify the gun in any way, what is the advantage to using one compared to just pulling the trigger fast?

A bump fire stock will shoot almost as fast as an automatic rifle, about 800 rounds per minute.
A pro shooter like Miculek can shoot around 400 rounds per minute, maybe 300 with a regular trained shooter.
A bump fire stock can fire like that for hundreds or thousands of rounds at that rate.
A shooter pressing the trigger can keep that rate for maybe 30 rounds with a light trigger.

I would classify a bump fire stock as an automatic device like a trigger kit, as I posted above and in the active shooter thread, technically different but the results are similar.  Question isn't if bump fire stocks should be legal or not.  Question should be is having automatic weapons a constitutional right and be unrestricted?

I don't hear that argument from pro-gun groups and people.  If fact when the NRA and others say an incident occurred with a semiauto vs automatic firearm, to me it says they think automatics are bad and are rightfully restricted or banned.  Or that automatics are already heavily restricted it seems like they justify it.  If we should restrict an automatic firearm based on the amount of harm it causes, then the same point can be made about semi-automatics.  There will be copy cat mass shootings in the future like this with bump fire stocks and automatic firearms.

Not knowing much about bump stocks, let me ask a dumb question. Since the bump stock does not modify the gun in any way, what is the advantage to using one compared to just pulling the trigger fast?

You can burn through your "extra" ammo quicker. 

I would classify a bump fire stock as an automatic device like a trigger kit, as I posted above and in the active shooter thread, technically different but the results are similar.  Question isn't if bump fire stocks should be legal or not.  Question should be is having automatic weapons a constitutional right and be unrestricted?

I don't hear that argument from pro-gun groups and people.  If fact when the NRA and others say an incident occurred with a semiauto vs automatic firearm, to me it says they think automatics are bad and are rightfully restricted or banned.  Or that automatics are already heavily restricted it seems like they justify it.  If we should restrict an automatic firearm based on the amount of harm it causes, then the same point can be made about semi-automatics.  There will be copy cat mass shootings in the future like this with bump fire stocks and automatic firearms.

Automatic weapons are severely restricted


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The NRA says the BATFE needs to revisit the Bump Fire Stock ruling and see if it truly conforms to the law.  They believe it should be more strictly regulated, similar to other accessories/modifications that change the functionality of the weapon.

I could live with that compromise

I've tried the bump fire stock and it's meh.  Good for burning up a bunch of ammo.  I have seen folks who can get the firing rate up close to full auto though with the slide fire stock.

We're falling into that paradigm of the tools used.

The National Rifle Association announced its support today for regulating “bump stocks,” devices that can effectively convert semi-automatic rifles into fully automated weapons and that were apparently used in the Las Vegas massacre to lethal effect.

congress, president, and nra agreeing to regulate, they're going to be banned.  Only question is how wide the ban may be.  It may ban any devices that result in the firing a round without a corresponding manual finger pull of the trigger.

If the NRA and republicans are smart, they'll tie in the ban with national right to carry, then throw the ball in the democrat's court on whether to support the bill or not.  Technically all states allow concealed carry, even lame states like ours that issue none as a "may" issue state.  So one would think that 50 state reciprocity wouldn't be that hard a sell.

The NRA says the BATFE needs to revisit the Bump Fire Stock ruling and see if it truly conforms to the law.  They believe it should be more strictly regulated, similar to other accessories/modifications that change the functionality of the weapon.

hmmm, i thought the golden child was the greatest president in history...

“the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions"

I could live with that compromise

Not a compromise if only one side gives up something.   

Another bump fire video, without the stock.