With all the talk about restricting or banning bumpfire stocks and binary triggers comes the bigger question should automatics be unrestricted?

I don't see this questioned asked much or stance given by gun rights organizations.

I feel any items/rules related to a firearms should be allowed and therefore "not infringed".   Once you take 1 item away, then it leads to another and another.  Next we're left with a musket.

We pass background checks.

They took half our cake

Absolutely.  Automatics and suppressors for all!!!

We need to protect ourselves against the Bump Fire Stock toting criminals. 

We need to protect ourselves against the Bump Fire Stock criminals.

  I like where you're going with that.

I gotta say I think full auto has always been my line in the sand. While I cannot refute certain logical arguments that support full auto being legal I realize that a line needs to be drawn somewhere when it comes to weapons legal for the public to own. I will lose no sleep if the bump-fire or binary triggers get outlawed. I think full auto crosses the danger threshold that we could justify regulating more stringently. . I only hope we can get something in return like nationwide CCW.

If they can build and sell vehicles (cars and motorcycles) that far exceed the speed limit why not have full auto?
How many people are killed speeding? There's no purpose in going that fast.
Here's an example and its not a sports car for that matter http://khon2.com/2017/10/06/crash-closes-monsarrat-ave-near-kapiolani-park/

Car enthusiasts have their full cake and its not a Constitutional right to drive a car.
We have a slice of a right given to us by our most sacred document.
I want a full cake. Give it back.

If they can build and sell vehicles (cars and motorcycles) that far exceed the speed limit why not have full auto?
How many people are killed speeding? There's no purpose in going that fast.
Here's an example and its not a sports car for that matter http://khon2.com/2017/10/06/crash-closes-monsarrat-ave-near-kapiolani-park/

Car enthusiasts have their full cake and its not a Constitutional right to drive a car.
We have a slice of a right given to us by our most sacred document.
I want a full cake. Give it back.

You will always lose this one, and the big pharma one based on money. Not saying it’s right, Just it is what it is. Back in the day cars were banned from city’s until GM and Royal Dutch Oil lobbied for “Driver rights.”  Now you can just about get away with murder against a pedestrian or cyclist.

In regards to the original question, yes, unrestricted. Shall not be infringed.

For fun, take out all shootings that contained psychiatric drugs and/or the religion of peace.... how many does that leave us with?

If they can build and sell vehicles (cars and motorcycles) that far exceed the speed limit why not have full auto?
How many people are killed speeding? There's no purpose in going that fast.
Here's an example and its not a sports car for that matter http://khon2.com/2017/10/06/crash-closes-monsarrat-ave-near-kapiolani-park/

Car enthusiasts have their full cake and its not a Constitutional right to drive a car.
We have a slice of a right given to us by our most sacred document.
I want a full cake. Give it back.

That's a good analogy.

I gotta say I think full auto has always been my line in the sand. While I cannot refute certain logical arguments that support full auto being legal I realize that a line needs to be drawn somewhere when it comes to weapons legal for the public to own. I will lose no sleep if the bump-fire or binary triggers get outlawed. I think full auto crosses the danger threshold that we could justify regulating more stringently. . I only hope we can get something in return like nationwide CCW.

I am kinda torn on this too.  The Vegas shooter was able to kill more people with the bumpfire stock than without one, it was a worst case scenario come true.  Automatics would be very effective against large crowds of people.  Defensively, automatic's aren't useful in a civilian environment where you'd shoot semiauto.  You don't do suppresive fire.  Even close quarter's you'd be shooting semiauto to avoid missed shots.  Only thing I see it good for is zombie hordes and red dawn scenarios.

I am kinda torn on this too.  The Vegas shooter was able to kill more people with the bumpfire stock than without one, it was a worst case scenario come true.  Automatics would be very effective against large crowds of people.  Defensively, automatic's aren't useful in a civilian environment where you'd shoot semiauto.  You don't do suppresive fire.  Even close quarter's you'd be shooting semiauto to avoid missed shots.  Only thing I see it good for is zombie hordes and red dawn scenarios.

I'm torn on the issue as well. Banning full auto for civilian use is not the cure but the placebo however I can't see why anyone would want or need to have one but, for now, I'll remain neutral. I will not support the continued possession of ANY device that changes the intended operation of any firearm, in this case bump stocks . Never have, never will. There has to be a reasonable limit to this madness. Flame suit on and ready.....

I am kinda torn on this too.  The Vegas shooter was able to kill more people with the bumpfire stock than without one, it was a worst case scenario come true.  Automatics would be very effective against large crowds of people.  Defensively, automatic's aren't useful in a civilian environment where you'd shoot semiauto.  You don't do suppresive fire.  Even close quarter's you'd be shooting semiauto to avoid missed shots.  Only thing I see it good for is zombie hordes and red dawn scenarios.

This is conjecture, you cannot definitively say that he would have killed more/less people with a true semi-auto rifle.

Ronald Reagan with the support of the NRA made them illegal to ever manufacture for civilians it into law.
However, many collectors and dealers got very rich from this.
Not likely it will be ever reversed even the old 1932 act.

I'm torn on the issue as well. Banning full auto for civilian use is not the cure but the placebo however I can't see why anyone would want or need to have one but, for now, I'll remain neutral. I will not support the continued possession of ANY device that changes the intended operation of any firearm, in this case bump stocks . Never have, never will. There has to be a reasonable limit to this madness. Flame suit on and ready.....

It seems like it's in human nature to tinker, particularly with firearms.  Lots of "innovation for the sake of innovation" going on.  When I first say the slide stock come out, my first thought was it was a good way to blow through ammo quickly.  Pretty close to my opinion of FA guns though.  Sure, FA is fun and all, but mostly a waste of ammo, by just IMO.

Personally, I generally don't care to tinker much with my guns.  I have a number of shooting buddies who do.  Some to good results, but many do find themselves with unintended consequences.  Stuff like malfunctions, questions on operation, etc.  I'd rather keep things closer to stock and not have questions about that kind of stuff.

Regarding the OP, I'm also torn.  From a practical standpoint, I don't really think restriction on FA is a big deal either way, at least in it's current form.  Based on principle, it's a different story.  It's been give, give, give on the part of gun rights for so long.  There seemed to be a glimmer of hope with the current administration, but then this.  Guns are inanimate objects.  Banning guns won't make evil people stop doing evil things.  Just makes law abiding people more vulnerable.  Ask people who live in Australia, where violent crime has been steadily on the rise since guns were banned.  Yeah, they haven't had mass shootings since that, but you're now way more likely to be robbed at knife point in your own home without any legal options to defend yourself. 

I gotta say I think full auto has always been my line in the sand. While I cannot refute certain logical arguments that support full auto being legal I realize that a line needs to be drawn somewhere when it comes to weapons legal for the public to own. I will lose no sleep if the bump-fire or binary triggers get outlawed. I think full auto crosses the danger threshold that we could justify regulating more stringently. . I only hope we can get something in return like nationwide CCW.

I agree.

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You don't have to follow the "no infringement" philosophy very far before you get into some genuinely head-scratching territory. I could make a pretty convincing argument about how I need 13" guns mounted on a turret to help defend shoreline shipping against Somalian pirates. What about chemical agents? Biological? Radioactive? Cyber? These are all arms that could conceivably be a threat to me; surely it's not unreasonable for me to be able to respond in kind. Or is it?

We can push back with "common sense" gun ownership.

It seems like it's in human nature to tinker, particularly with firearms.  Lots of "innovation for the sake of innovation" going on.  When I first say the slide stock come out, my first thought was it was a good way to blow through ammo quickly.  Pretty close to my opinion of FA guns though.  Sure, FA is fun and all, but mostly a waste of ammo, by just IMO.

Personally, I generally don't care to tinker much with my guns.  I have a number of shooting buddies who do.  Some to good results, but many do find themselves with unintended consequences.  Stuff like malfunctions, questions on operation, etc.  I'd rather keep things closer to stock and not have questions about that kind of stuff.

Regarding the OP, I'm also torn.  From a practical standpoint, I don't really think restriction on FA is a big deal either way, at least in it's current form.  Based on principle, it's a different story.  It's been give, give, give on the part of gun rights for so long.  There seemed to be a glimmer of hope with the current administration, but then this.  Guns are inanimate objects.  Banning guns won't make evil people stop doing evil things.  Just makes law abiding people more vulnerable.  Ask people who live in Australia, where violent crime has been steadily on the rise since guns were banned.  Yeah, they haven't had mass shootings since that, but you're now way more likely to be robbed at knife point in your own home without any legal options to defend yourself.

Hmmmmm good points. Maybe make bumpfire stocks and the like subject to NFA? Gosh don't know what the answer is to be honest.....

I agree.

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