Crimes committed from owners on RAP BACK (Read 8384 times)

556fun

Crimes committed from owners on RAP BACK
« on: October 31, 2017, 10:25:52 AM »
As we come up to the anniversary of RAP BACK, Does anyone have stats on crimes committed with a gun who the gun man/owner is listed on RAP BACK.  My guess is 0!  My belief all these recent gun violence crimes were committed with illegal guns, unregistered or stolen guns from law abiding gun owners. 

lot of good RAP BACK as been for HAWAII! 

Thanks for nothing Espero

zippz

Re: Crimes committed from owners on RAP BACK
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2017, 10:48:23 AM »
I've heard that the State Rapback system isn't connected to the FBI system.  So basically everyone paid $42 for a system that doesn't even work, and may never work.

TubbsMcGee

Re: Crimes committed from owners on RAP BACK
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2017, 10:54:07 AM »
I've heard that the State Rapback system isn't connected to the FBI system.  So basically everyone paid $42 for a system that doesn't even work, and may never work.

Wow thats very interesting. I always thought it was automatically directed to the FBI system. Source?

zippz

Re: Crimes committed from owners on RAP BACK
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2017, 10:57:19 AM »
Wow thats very interesting. I always thought it was automatically directed to the FBI system. Source?

tillamook

Re: Crimes committed from owners on RAP BACK
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2017, 11:10:22 AM »
There does not seem to be any data reported on the Crime Prevention and Justice Assistance website which does the firearm reports.

Is there a pro-gun representative in Hawaii we can ask for this data?  from my personal experience, they wont even reply if I asked them for rap-back data

Here is the data on the 2016 firearm registration.   

Interesting to note that most of the denials are for mental health.  I'm betting that the vast majority of those were people who had kaiser who were not able to get cleared by their physician. 
also 42 were medical marijuana patients.  When was the last time someone high on marijuana went on a shooting spree?

https://ag.hawaii.gov/cpja/files/2017/05/Firearm-Registrations-in-Hawaii-2016.pdf

and of course:

"A total of 27 private citizens applied for a concealed carry license in 2016, including 16 in the City & County of Honolulu, six in Hawaii County,
and five in Kauai County; all applicants were denied by the respective county’s chief of police. "

shdws

Re: Crimes committed from owners on RAP BACK
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2017, 11:40:47 AM »

also 42 were medical marijuana patients.  When was the last time someone high on marijuana went on a shooting spree?


I'm not sure how others here feel about weed in general, but I always thought it was pretty ridiculous you'd be denied a permit to acquire if you were prescribed medication.  Its medical, so they had to have a doctor prescribe it.  Did HPD just make that call on their own is there a law in the books (the big sign in the firearms office)?  Thats one slippery slope right there.  Theres a whole host of medications that I think are way more harmful than some plant, but those guys arent being denied, right?

scorpio ps

Re: Crimes committed from owners on RAP BACK
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2017, 12:03:39 PM »
The last time someone high on Marijuana invaded my home was a long time ago so my memory is a little foggy. But if I remember correctly, those guys raided my refrigerator.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Crimes committed from owners on RAP BACK
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2017, 12:20:15 PM »
I'm not sure how others here feel about weed in general, but I always thought it was pretty ridiculous you'd be denied a permit to acquire if you were prescribed medication.  Its medical, so they had to have a doctor prescribe it.  Did HPD just make that call on their own is there a law in the books (the big sign in the firearms office)?  Thats one slippery slope right there.  Theres a whole host of medications that I think are way more harmful than some plant, but those guys arent being denied, right?

It has nothing to do with personal beliefs or the opinions of HPD.  It has to do with the fact we are still part of the United States. 

Since the DEA classifies "Marijuana (cannabis, THC)" to be a Schedule 1 substance,

and the ATF form 4473 asks:

Quote
Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?
Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized
for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.

the state is simply abiding by federal rules.  If you want pot AND guns (legally), you have to get the DEA to reclassify marijuana and THEN get the ATF to change their rules using the DEA change as the basis.

No matter how ridiculous, those are the hurdles.

If you think about it, giving the public a choice between medical marijuana and legal gun ownership is an effective way to try and ban guns.
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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shdws

Re: Crimes committed from owners on RAP BACK
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2017, 12:33:53 PM »
State passes law that violate federal law.

State then says that you cannot exercise your rights because of federal law.

'murica.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Crimes committed from owners on RAP BACK
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2017, 01:15:16 PM »
State passes law that violate federal law.

State then says that you cannot exercise your rights because of federal law.

'murica.

Not much different than someone taking a drug test for employment and being denied for using "state legal" pot.  Many companies take federal dollars for contracts, they have to follow federal guidelines for employee drug use.  Some jobs are safety-critical, and you don't want people working while on any prescribed meds -- like pilots, Cops who carry guns, etc.  The side effects of a simple cold medicine could be bad.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rklapp

Re: Crimes committed from owners on RAP BACK
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2017, 04:56:39 PM »
I've heard that the State Rapback system isn't connected to the FBI system.  So basically everyone paid $42 for a system that doesn't even work, and may never work.
You mean we're not included in the list of potential pedophile teachers and daycare workers? After all, that's what the FBI meant it for, not for tracking gun owners.
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556fun

Re: Crimes committed from owners on RAP BACK
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2017, 07:41:56 PM »
Like anything else in hawaii overcharged for something that doesn’t even work ! Typical Government!

eyeeatingfish

Re: Crimes committed from owners on RAP BACK
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2017, 04:16:19 PM »
I've heard that the State Rapback system isn't connected to the FBI system.  So basically everyone paid $42 for a system that doesn't even work, and may never work.

I have heard the same. So basically it would just work if you were arrested on a neighbor island.

London808

Re: Crimes committed from owners on RAP BACK
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2017, 10:27:00 PM »
I have heard the same. So basically it would just work if you were arrested on a neighbor island.

Actually im not sure it would. because the reporting feature is from the FBI. Not from the HCJDC, The HCJDC just takes the FBI  formation and passes it around (so im led to believe)
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Heavies

Re: Crimes committed from owners on RAP BACK
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2017, 11:52:57 PM »
I have heard the same. So basically it would just work if you were arrested on a neighbor island.

So your $42 is a waste of money, and you aren't getting what you paid for?  Lol

Bota-CS1

Re: Crimes committed from owners on RAP BACK
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2017, 09:58:44 AM »
So your $42 is a waste of money, and you aren't getting what you paid for?  Lol

Government efficiency for you.
No one is coming, it’s up to us.

Legislation should never be about depriving law abiding citizens of something, but rather taking those things away from criminals.

zippz

Re: Crimes committed from owners on RAP BACK
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2017, 10:16:21 AM »
So your $42 is a waste of money, and you aren't getting what you paid for?  Lol

Worse yet, the $42 charge is only for applying for your first firearms permit.  So if you had a permit previously before Rapback, they are illegally charging you $42.  I'm surprised this wasn't brought up much.

     "(i)  No fee shall be charged for permits, or applications for permits, under this section, except for a single fee chargeable by and payable to the issuing county, for individuals applying for their first permit, in an amount equal to the fee [actually] charged by the [Federal Bureau of Investigation to the issuing police department for a fingerprint check in connection with that application or permit.] Hawaii criminal justice data center pursuant to section 846-2.7.  In the case of a joint application, the fee provided for in this section may be charged to each person to whom no previous permit has been issued."