More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting (Read 23532 times)

Flapp_Jackson

More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting
« on: November 05, 2017, 10:53:53 AM »
Official says more than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting


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SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Texas (AP/WTXF) -- A County Commissioner in Texas says he's been told that more than 20 people
were killed and more than 20 were wounded in an attack at a church, though he says those figures haven't been confirmed.
 
Albert Gamez, a Wilson County commissioner, made the comments to cable news outlets after the attack Sunday at a Baptist
church in Sutherland Springs, a small community 30 miles southeast of San Antonio.

It was not immediately clear if the church was holding services at the time of the shooting or who carried out the attack.


http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/mass-shooting-reported-at-texas-church
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

zippz

Re: More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2017, 11:07:38 AM »
Official says more than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting


http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/mass-shooting-reported-at-texas-church

Wow that's a lot of people.  Gotta be a terrorist or insane person to do that in a church.  Could be copycats that see this stuff on TV and figure they can do the same.  Surprised  there's no mention of a CCW getting involved.

London808

Re: More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2017, 11:10:55 AM »
Wow that's a lot of people.  Gotta be a terrorist or insane person to do that in a church.  Could be copycats that see this stuff on TV and figure they can do the same.  Surprised  there's no mention of a CCW getting involved.

I wonder if this church like most had a ban on CCW
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

robtmc

Re: More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2017, 12:50:09 PM »
Did not get the hoped for response from Las Vegas?

This crap happens like clockwork, usually when gun control momentum slows down, or some major democrat is in political trouble.........

robtmc

Re: More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2017, 01:50:20 PM »
Now it comes out the shooter was in the AF, court martialed, and dishonorably discharged.

Sounds like a good candidate to watch for usefulness to the gun control cause.  Disgruntled with probably more than a few mental issues and resentments.

Push the right buttons, and Shazaam!  Another gun control bonanza.

London808

Re: More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2017, 02:11:21 PM »
Now it comes out the shooter was in the AF, court martialed, and dishonorably discharged.

Sounds like a good candidate to watch for usefulness to the gun control cause.  Disgruntled with probably more than a few mental issues and resentments.

Push the right buttons, and Shazaam!  Another gun control bonanza.

Criminal with a gun then.

dishonorable discharge is based on a general court-martial conviction. This means the conviction is a felony, regardless of what the underlying offense may have been. The convicted felon is banned from possessing a firearm
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

Flapp_Jackson

Re: More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2017, 02:33:13 PM »
Criminal with a gun then.

dishonorable discharge is based on a general court-martial conviction. This means the conviction is a felony, regardless of what the underlying offense may have been. The convicted felon is banned from possessing a firearm

According to the Gun Control Act of 1968:

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Prohibited persons

It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
(2) is a fugitive from justice;
(3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
(4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
(5) who, being an alien— (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or (B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(26)));
(6) who [2] has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
(7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship;
(8 ) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that— (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and (B) (i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or (9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

So, while it's assumed the DD is related to a felony-level verdict, the discharge all by itself specifically prohibits possession of a firearm.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Heavies

Re: More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2017, 03:15:13 PM »
It's a crazy liberal antifa fascist.

We need to ban liberals, the sick twisted, fucked up 21st century version is mentally deranged and dangerous to society.

Hunter1007

Re: More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2017, 03:16:44 PM »
Just read an article that a civilian graves his rifle and returned fire. At that point the gun man fled the scene. Good guy with gun stops bad guy with gun again

Hunter1007

Re: More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2017, 03:17:33 PM »
*grabs not graves. Stupid auto correct

rklapp

Re: More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2017, 03:20:12 PM »
"Authorities said a civilian with a gun confronted the attacker and chased him away. The gunman was later found dead in his vehicle along with several weapons."

I was just meeting with a local church client and discussed security because a church shooting has happened in the recent pass.
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London808

Re: More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2017, 03:44:40 PM »
According to the Gun Control Act of 1968:

So, while it's assumed the DD is related to a felony-level verdict, the discharge all by itself specifically prohibits possession of a firearm.

Thats what i said,
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

Flapp_Jackson

Re: More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2017, 04:02:07 PM »
Thats what i said,

Sort of.  Not nitpicking.  You were implying by virtue of him being convicted of a felony related to the court martial, he would be prohibited.  That point is tangential as anyone dishonorably discharged for any charge is prohibited specifically by the GCA.  In fact, it's one of the disqualifying questions on the 4473.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

zippz

Re: More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2017, 04:15:55 PM »
 :thumbsup: Thumbsup to the resident who saved the day, could possibly have been worse if not.  Good thing the resident had a rifle.  I wouldn't want to get into a confrontation with a handgun against a rifle.

News reported the gunman's rifle as a "Ruger AR assault-type rifle".  This was one of his facebook postings I got from ar15.com:

London808

Re: More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2017, 04:18:41 PM »
Sort of.  Not nitpicking.  You were implying by virtue of him being convicted of a felony related to the court martial, he would be prohibited.  That point is tangential as anyone dishonorably discharged for any charge is prohibited specifically by the GCA.

No what I said is a DD is a felony, even if the crime that causes the DD is not actually a felony.

You are not picking and getting it wrong. Go troll someone else.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

zippz

Re: More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2017, 04:22:40 PM »
Alright, I think everyone gets the point that a dishonorable discharge prohibits gun ownership.  Lets move on ----->

Flapp_Jackson

Re: More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2017, 04:35:38 PM »
No what I said is a DD is a felony, even if the crime that causes the DD is not actually a felony.

You are not picking and getting it wrong. Go troll someone else.

Whatever.  You said the same thing.  Point goes to you.  have a nice time celebrating!!

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

dafrtknocker

2ahavvaii

Re: More than 20 killed, 20 wounded in Texas mass shooting
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2017, 08:16:41 PM »
Love how the media is totally downplaying the fact that he shouldn't have had a firearm at all since DD.  So the firearm was acquired or owned illegally.   The fact that he owned a firearm is on the police department.

They also mentioned he dropped his rifle and ran away and was found dead after a car chase.  Completely neglects to mention that the private citizen  used his own rifle to do so, and stopped him before more killings and before the cops had a chance to reapond.

Legal firearm held by law abiding citizen stops lunatic criminal with illegal firearm.  Sounds like a pro 2a argument to me