Thank you all for your input.  It really helps with my thought process moving forward 

You carry what you feel comfortable with. Safety, SA/DA, etc...What ever gives you piece of mind.  Because like above posters stated, each has its pros and cons.

For me, I only have striker pistols so that's what I carry (VP9 & M&P 9C).  I am looking into a 1911, but would carry it due to the size.

My biggest fear is that I have a 5 and 3 year old that still love crawling all over me.  I have a concealed knife in a kydex sheath and there was one incident where my son dislodged it slightly when crawling on me.  It didnt come out much but enough to give me a small slice.  My fear is that they dislodge the gun somehow and their fingers get in the trigger or something gets lodged in the trigger guard and it goes off when I push it back in.

Prior thinking was that a safety would take that away as would a da/sa since I would thumb the hammer when holstering

Now, when I go to the mainland, it is more often than not that I’m traveling without my kids, so that worry should be nullified.  Also, by the time we do start taking them more years in the future, chances are they will not be jumping all over me.

I'm interested to know what kind of holster you're using that you'd be worried about it becoming dislodged while playing with your kids.  My knife that I carry in a kydex sheath and like you it has been dislodged every once in a while, so I check it every time I stand up. 

I can't say that any gun I've carried has ever snapped out of any of the passive retention holsters I've carried.  With IWB there should be no way your gun can come loose with the tension provided by 1) The passive retention of the holster and 2) the additional tension of your belt pushing your gun/holster into your body.  With OWB holsters you can tighten the retention and through running drills/classes, bumping into shit, hitting the ground so on and so forth my guns have never come loose.

Personally I carry my G19 with a round chambered every day at work.  If you're worried about ND's I'd check out something with a hammer and de-cocker so you can still have that round chambered but have that heavy first trigger pull.

But again, to each their own.  Carry how  you're comfortable.

As for the 21 foot rule:
for fun.

for educational purposes.

I dont know about this one in the chamber thing, but I have developed an irrational fear of going to the bathroom while carrying.

I dont know about this one in the chamber thing, but I have developed an irrational fear of going to the bathroom while carrying.

I don't go to the bathroom without carrying, it's when we're at our most vulnerable.  If I have to go to the bathroom while in public I make sure to have my wallet sized portrait of General Mattis to protect me.

I dont know about this one in the chamber thing, but I have developed an irrational fear of going to the bathroom while carrying.

sounds like you need to find something that is ak reliable, if it falls in the toilet and covered in water and whatever else, you can pull it out, reholster it, and it'll still shoot well a year later.   

I'm interested to know what kind of holster you're using that you'd be worried about it becoming dislodged while playing with your kids.  My knife that I carry in a kydex sheath and like you it has been dislodged every once in a while, so I check it every time I stand up. 

I can't say that any gun I've carried has ever snapped out of any of the passive retention holsters I've carried.  With IWB there should be no way your gun can come loose with the tension provided by 1) The passive retention of the holster and 2) the additional tension of your belt pushing your gun/holster into your body.  With OWB holsters you can tighten the retention and through running drills/classes, bumping into shit, hitting the ground so on and so forth my guns have never come loose.

Personally I carry my G19 with a round chambered every day at work.  If you're worried about ND's I'd check out something with a hammer and de-cocker so you can still have that round chambered but have that heavy first trigger pull.

But again, to each their own.  Carry how  you're comfortable.

I actually don't have an IWB holster yet as I'm still deciding on the gun.  Don't have any experience carrying IWB but was looking at Tier 1, T-Rex ANR Designs etc. adjustable retention kydex holsters.  My knife incident was enough to have me concerned about the gun potentially coming loose if my son accidentally knees it while climbing on me, but again, no experience carrying concealed.

Currently leaning heavily toward a Glock 19 or M&P 2.0 Compact w/o thumb safety.  P-01 is on the list as well but I know I'd dump way too much money into the thing with CGW parts etc.  I have smaller hands so I'd at minimum purchase the reduced reach trigger kit.  The Glock and M&P would stay fairly stock outside of sights. 

My biggest fear is that I have a 5 and 3 year old that still love crawling all over me.  I have a concealed knife in a kydex sheath and there was one incident where my son dislodged it slightly when crawling on me.  It didnt come out much but enough to give me a small slice.  My fear is that they dislodge the gun somehow and their fingers get in the trigger or something gets lodged in the trigger guard and it goes off when I push it back in.

Prior thinking was that a safety would take that away as would a da/sa since I would thumb the hammer when holstering

Now, when I go to the mainland, it is more often than not that I’m traveling without my kids, so that worry should be nullified.  Also, by the time we do start taking them more years in the future, chances are they will not be jumping all over me.

Gotcha.  Never thought about that.  I don't have kids, but when I'm around my friend's kids, they are all over me as well (at times).  I have never carried while I have been around the ones that I'm closest too and are "all over me" more often, I do have to me mindful about them getting into my stuff.  Like my backpack that has say a lighter for cigars.  Kids are so smart, it's scary at times.

While I can see how a heavier DA (semi-auto or revolver) trigger pull could help mitigate this concern, but I also wouldn't put it past kids to figure out a way.  I would think that a quality concealed carry holster would mitigate.  My concealed carry holsters have a good amount of retention that I don't see someone pulling the gun out of the holster without my allowing it to happen.

I'm interested to know what kind of holster you're using that you'd be worried about it becoming dislodged while playing with your kids.  My knife that I carry in a kydex sheath and like you it has been dislodged every once in a while, so I check it every time I stand up. 

I can't say that any gun I've carried has ever snapped out of any of the passive retention holsters I've carried.  With IWB there should be no way your gun can come loose with the tension provided by 1) The passive retention of the holster and 2) the additional tension of your belt pushing your gun/holster into your body.  With OWB holsters you can tighten the retention and through running drills/classes, bumping into shit, hitting the ground so on and so forth my guns have never come loose.

Personally I carry my G19 with a round chambered every day at work.  If you're worried about ND's I'd check out something with a hammer and de-cocker so you can still have that round chambered but have that heavy first trigger pull.

But again, to each their own.  Carry how  you're comfortable.

Well, you have more retention "ability" in that case. . . 

I actually don't have an IWB holster yet as I'm still deciding on the gun.  Don't have any experience carrying IWB but was looking at Tier 1, T-Rex ANR Designs etc. adjustable retention kydex holsters.  My knife incident was enough to have me concerned about the gun potentially coming loose if my son accidentally knees it while climbing on me, but again, no experience carrying concealed.

Currently leaning heavily toward a Glock 19 or M&P 2.0 Compact w/o thumb safety.  P-01 is on the list as well but I know I'd dump way too much money into the thing with CGW parts etc.  I have smaller hands so I'd at minimum purchase the reduced reach trigger kit.  The Glock and M&P would stay fairly stock outside of sights.

I just received my TRex Ragnarok (OWB holster) and my first impressions are very good.  I'll give it some time to use it and see, but it's a good quality holster.  If I were in the need for a new IWB holster, I'd consider trying one of theirs.

For now, I have a Raven OWB holster and one of the first offerings of the INCOG.  Both are excellent holsters.  The RCS can be adjusted for the passive retention to take a good amount of effort to draw. 

I actually don't have an IWB holster yet as I'm still deciding on the gun.  Don't have any experience carrying IWB but was looking at Tier 1, T-Rex ANR Designs etc. adjustable retention kydex holsters.  My knife incident was enough to have me concerned about the gun potentially coming loose if my son accidentally knees it while climbing on me, but again, no experience carrying concealed.

Currently leaning heavily toward a Glock 19 or M&P 2.0 Compact w/o thumb safety.  P-01 is on the list as well but I know I'd dump way too much money into the thing with CGW parts etc.  I have smaller hands so I'd at minimum purchase the reduced reach trigger kit.  The Glock and M&P would stay fairly stock outside of sights.

I've carried a G-Code Incog Shadow for about 2.5 years, first for the 17 and then the 19 with a Surefire XC-1.  I'll be picking up a T-Rex Arms Sidecar soon for appendix carry, Lucas makes quality shit.  Like Drck said, keeping the guns as close to stock as possible is preferred.

Well, you have more retention "ability" in that case. . . 

You know das right lololol.

Kids are so smart, it's scary at times.

Very true.  My son randomly figured out my 4 digit, HD pistol safe combo when he was barely over a year old (no round in the chamber as I was gone from home but magazine inserted).  Wife said he was playing with the buttons and it popped open.  Dumb luck right?  What's worse is that he memorized the code and went on to open it again on a different day.  Ended up having to change the code.

I just received my TRex Ragnarok (OWB holster) and my first impressions are very good.  I'll give it some time to use it and see, but it's a good quality holster.  If I were in the need for a new IWB holster, I'd consider trying one of theirs.

For now, I have a Raven OWB holster and one of the first offerings of the INCOG.  Both are excellent holsters.  The RCS can be adjusted for the passive retention to take a good amount of effort to draw.

Thanks for the input.  Love watching Lucas' videos and their holsters seem to be high quality.

I've carried a G-Code Incog Shadow for about 2.5 years, first for the 17 and then the 19 with a Surefire XC-1.  I'll be picking up a T-Rex Arms Sidecar soon for appendix carry, Lucas makes quality shit.  Like Drck said, keeping the guns as close to stock as possible is preferred.

Thanks Drakiirr.   

Funny I go to IG and see this.  Was going to stick with a stock trigger in a striker fired carry gun anyway but this furthers that decision.

You think this guy had one in the chamber?  I'd put money on it.  Prescription drug addicts can be very dangerous when desperate for their fix.


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An off-duty military police officer shot dead two armed robbers while holding his child in one arm when the pair tried to hold up a pharmacy, CCTV footage shows. Sergeant Rafael Souza had walked into the business 40km outside the city of São Paulo, Brazil, with his wife and child to buy medicine when the two men burst in wearing hoods and wielding guns. One of the men - Jefferson Alves, 24 - then reportedly pointed his weapon at Mr Souza, who drew his pistol and is seen on camera shooting the attacker at close range.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/off-duty-police-officer-shoots-150222914.html

Funny I go to IG and see this.  Was going to stick with a stock trigger in a striker fired carry gun anyway but this furthers that decision.

Fuck ZEV triggers, I've seen and heard about countless problems with that shit.  My carry Glocks have the Haley Strategic Skimmer triggers in them, all polished stock parts, no replacements.  Cleaner break and reset with the same reliability.

Wow.  That holstering with the "click" is 

I've shot guns with a ZEV trigger (whole gun was a ZEV custom deal).  I don't recall anything that made me want to get one.  I've tried my 34 with ZEV and Ghost disconnectors.  Didn't care for the Ghost.  The ZEV is ok, but I wish it had a more solid wall.  The 34 is pretty much exclusively for USPSA though, so I was more willing to test out stuff. 

A lot of the custom triggers on the market are polishing, filing, etc of stock Glock parts.  I haven't tried monkeying with my triggers much.  I will say that the Salient guns that I've shot have really nice triggers, but those are $3000+ guns! 

I mean I appreciate what can be done with custom triggers.  The trigger on my CZ SP-01 Shadow is significantly nicer than the stock SP-01, but that's also because of things like no firing block safety.  I've shot some really nice 1911s with awesome triggers.  Those would be more for competition or just range fun, at least for me. 

After reading the comments on the Instagram post, it sounds like a multi-faceted combination of issues that lead to the "auto-activated" trigger.

(1) The Trigger Safety Retaining Pin loosened about 1/8 inch.
(2) The loose pin allowed the trigger safety lever to fall out of the trigger.

With no trigger safety to prevent the trigger from being pulled without a finger on it:
(3) the really tight tolerances of the Kydex holster allowed the loose pin sticking out the left side of the trigger to catch the inside of the holster, pulling the trigger when reholstering.

"Final Destination" type of problem!

After reading the comments on the Instagram post, it sounds like a multi-faceted combination of issues that lead to the "auto-activated" trigger.

(1) The Trigger Safety Retaining Pin loosened about 1/8 inch.
(2) The loose pin allowed the trigger safety lever to fall out of the trigger.

With no trigger safety to prevent the trigger from being pulled without a finger on it:
(3) the really tight tolerances of the Kydex holster allowed the loose pin sticking out the left side of the trigger to catch the inside of the holster, pulling the trigger when reholstering.

"Final Destination" type of problem!

So something was pushing the trigger to the rear from the sides?  I'd have to check all my passive retention holsters, but I don't think any have material that comes close to any part of the trigger.  Even pins or other hardware that would be near the trigger.  I'm gonna tighten down the hardware on them while I'm at it. . .