Here we go. It's starting. (Read 9029 times)

aieahound

Here we go. It's starting.
« on: November 16, 2017, 09:13:24 AM »
https://www.pressreader.com/usa/honolulu-star-advertiser/20171116/281883003633574

Article in paper today.

Isle lawmakers pressure president on gun safety.

The lawmakers also pledged to address gun violence in Hawaii...

"We are also ready and willing to enact sensible policies at the state level to pass responsible, common sense solutions to preventing gun violence."

What gun violence?
What more can they do? (I don't really want to know the answer to that)

MMM

Re: Here we go. It's starting.
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2017, 03:35:40 PM »
bastids.

mrgaf

Re: Here we go. It's starting.
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2017, 05:15:39 PM »
Dumb fuck pond scum lawyers. Time to throw the trash out,
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

robtmc

Re: Here we go. It's starting.
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2017, 07:16:24 PM »
"We are also ready and willing to enact sensible policies at the state level to pass responsible, common sense solutions to preventing gun violence."
No mention of just what this violence was and this pressing need for policies was?

suka

Re: Here we go. It's starting.
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2017, 07:42:49 PM »
I say nothing on the Federal level will pass, even pro gun laws. However, on the Hawaii side its going to be a different story.

Heavies

Re: Here we go. It's starting.
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2017, 10:11:31 AM »
Get ready.  If we lose rights here in Hawaii, it will be our own fault.  Every firearms faction in this state needs to come together on this, or we are done.  Any bill put forward this upcoming session is pretty much guaranteed to pass and get signed into law, there is no one to stop them except us.

Word needs to be spread to everyone now.  If you go to the range discuss it with at least one person you don't know.  GET IT OUT NOW

scorpio ps

Re: Here we go. It's starting.
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2017, 11:24:27 AM »
Discussing amongst each other is one thing. You need to be absolutely sure that your representative gets the message and follow it up with your vote.

PalisadesKid

Re: Here we go. It's starting.
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2017, 11:34:28 AM »
I think, at the least, we can bet that they're going after the slide fire stocks - same ban that failed on the mainland.

They just need to do "something" .. anything here to show their "big brothers and sisters" of the DNC on the mainland that little ole Hawaii can capitulate to the narrative too!

PalisadesKid

Re: Here we go. It's starting.
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2017, 11:36:45 AM »
Received a reply from my representative with regards to an email I sent earlier regarding the specific concern of another attempt of a bill similar to 2013's Hawaii "Assault Weapons Ban" that died in committee.

Response:

"Thank you.  I agree that Hawaii's firearms laws should not be changed unnecessarily, and only if there is a clear public safety interest at stake.
 
Mahalo,
Gregg"

Will be planning to meet with my representative in person in January as soon as possible as that is the literally the only time I can remove myself from work.

PalisadesKid

Re: Here we go. It's starting.
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2017, 11:40:12 AM »
I wasn't a gun owner during this time in 2013, but I went through this thread many times, seems appropriate to bring it up again in the event our local government thinks they need to get as far to the LEFT as possible with completely adopting the ANTIFA logo as the official State Seal.

2013 Hawaii Assault Weapons Ban (SB 219): https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=5950.msg57476#msg57476

macsak

Re: Here we go. It's starting.
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2017, 12:14:45 PM »
Get ready.  If we lose rights here in Hawaii, it will be our own fault.  Every firearms faction in this state needs to come together on this, or we are done.  Any bill put forward this upcoming session is pretty much guaranteed to pass and get signed into law, there is no one to stop them except us.

Word needs to be spread to everyone now.  If you go to the range discuss it with at least one person you don't know.  GET IT OUT NOW

EXACTLY
i am going to make a post about this this weekend
don't think it cannot happen
don't think we will be grandfathered in
look what happened with rapbak, everyone just said "they can't do that, it's against the law" and yet they did it

changemyoil66

Re: Here we go. It's starting.
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2017, 01:19:24 PM »
What are the chances of having LGS get more involved?  I understand that many do not get involved with politics because they don't want unwanted attention on themselves.  But if they all united as 1, will it help?  I have never seen a sign on the counter warning gun owners of what's going on.  And because many gun owners visit these places for ammo, guns, accessories, talk story, etc...the counter would be the perfect place to help spread the word.  And I figure LGS are the ones who are financially impacted by more regulations.  If we can't own AR's, then no more ammo and accessories to be bought, which means less sales for them.

A good example would be if someone walked in to buy some 223 ammo, if the clerk let them know that HR3947&3999 is being proposed to make your AR illegal even if it doesn't have a bump stock.  So call or write our senators to go against it.  And I'm pretty sure they know the regulars and what types of guns they have.  So even if someone's buying 9mm ammo, but they know the guy owns a few AR's, let him know what's up.

What was their involvement for rapback?

It seems like the customers are the ones who are responsible for our rights.

macsak

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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2017, 01:23:03 PM »
What are the chances of having LGS get more involved?  I understand that many do not get involved with politics because they don't want unwanted attention on themselves.  But if they all united as 1, will it help?  I have never seen a sign on the counter warning gun owners of what's going on.  And because many gun owners visit these places for ammo, guns, accessories, talk story, etc...the counter would be the perfect place to help spread the word.  And I figure LGS are the ones who are financially impacted by more regulations.  If we can't own AR's, then no more ammo and accessories to be bought, which means less sales for them.

A good example would be if someone walked in to buy some 223 ammo, if the clerk let them know that HR3947&3999 is being proposed to make your AR illegal even if it doesn't have a bump stock.  So call or write our senators to go against it.  And I'm pretty sure they know the regulars and what types of guns they have.  So even if someone's buying 9mm ammo, but they know the guy owns a few AR's, let him know what's up.

What was their involvement for rapback?

It seems like the customers are the ones who are responsible for our rights.

not gonna happen
only KGS speaks out

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Here we go. It's starting.
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2017, 01:37:04 PM »
What are the chances of having LGS get more involved?  I understand that many do not get involved with politics because they don't want unwanted attention on themselves.  But if they all united as 1, will it help?  I have never seen a sign on the counter warning gun owners of what's going on.  And because many gun owners visit these places for ammo, guns, accessories, talk story, etc...the counter would be the perfect place to help spread the word.  And I figure LGS are the ones who are financially impacted by more regulations.  If we can't own AR's, then no more ammo and accessories to be bought, which means less sales for them.

A good example would be if someone walked in to buy some 223 ammo, if the clerk let them know that HR3947&3999 is being proposed to make your AR illegal even if it doesn't have a bump stock.  So call or write our senators to go against it.  And I'm pretty sure they know the regulars and what types of guns they have.  So even if someone's buying 9mm ammo, but they know the guy owns a few AR's, let him know what's up.

What was their involvement for rapback?

It seems like the customers are the ones who are responsible for our rights.

One problem with asking gun stores to be vocal about 2A rights is the appearance of competing interests.  Accusations would be made they are only pushing the 2A agenda because it benefits them financially. 

It is in their interest to help fight for 2A rights on many levels, but their effectiveness would be diluted if their motives are questioned.  in the end, the benefits must outweigh the cost of protesting a government that could easily put you out of business overnight.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

stangzilla

Re: Here we go. It's starting.
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2017, 03:14:47 PM »
the common sense gun laws should be to arm more citizens to protect themselves against armed criminals

even the Texas AG agrees that we need more guns in the hands of law abiding citizens

this doesn't look good for us in Hawaii.
i'll help by spreading the word to get involved to other pro-2A people
at the same time i'll be stocking up on AR parts.  you can never have too many AR's or AR parts on hand.

yes, we need to get together on this!!!

2ahavvaii

Re: Here we go. It's starting.
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2017, 03:55:47 PM »
One problem with asking gun stores to be vocal about 2A rights is the appearance of competing interests.  Accusations would be made they are only pushing the 2A agenda because it benefits them financially. 

It is in their interest to help fight for 2A rights on many levels, but their effectiveness would be diluted if their motives are questioned.  in the end, the benefits must outweigh the cost of protesting a government that could easily put you out of business overnight.

LGS can get involved by asking everyone that shop at their business to get involved and hand out relevant information  on how to get involved. 

stangzilla

Re: Here we go. It's starting.
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2017, 04:24:50 PM »
if more strict gun laws do pass here, LGS business will go downhill

TastesLikeMetal

Re: Here we go. It's starting.
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2017, 05:15:43 PM »
if more strict gun laws do pass here, LGS business will go downhill
Guessing it already is, when I go in I don't see people buying anything.

ren

Re: Here we go. It's starting.
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2017, 05:16:54 PM »
One problem with asking gun stores to be vocal about 2A rights is the appearance of competing interests.  Accusations would be made they are only pushing the 2A agenda because it benefits them financially. 

It is in their interest to help fight for 2A rights on many levels, but their effectiveness would be diluted if their motives are questioned.  in the end, the benefits must outweigh the cost of protesting a government that could easily put you out of business overnight.

I had a really long reply I just had to delete for liability purposes. 

This is even pushing the limit and is against the recommendation of counsel to just remain silent on the issue.

I am only speaking for OGC, but this may likely reflect the position of other LGS, you would have to ask them.

Please understand that due to the close working relationship that most of the LGS must maintain with the State and Federal government, we simply cannot even be seen to be affiliated with a legal challenge of this nature, however strongly we feel about it personally or how much it would be in our self interest to have rapback eliminated or repealed.

The actions that can be taken against an FFL by the State/Fed Govt are varied and can be executed almost effortlessly and can only be fought with super expensive, likely to fail, legal action.

What you may see as a challenge to your rights, hobby, or access to self defense is also our livelihood and our life's savings tied up in our inventories.

Our support could also HURT any legal action due to the obvious self interest involved should that be part of how the State defends their case, that "gun stores are behind the challenge because they want to sell more guns and don't care about Hawaii or the lives that are lost due to firearms related deaths"

It has to remain a grassroots issue of personal legal rights and whether they are being breached or not, not a campaign of those seeking profit.

We can only hope that the judicial branch will recognize rapback as the breach of rights that many of us believe it to be.
Deeds Not Words

mrgaf

Re: Here we go. It's starting.
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2017, 07:46:59 PM »


And there you have it! This may be harsh but if we see a constant erosion of our rights here in Hawaii we can't depend on ANY LGS to help us. If they can't sell to us, they'll cater to LE agencies, etc etc. If we win, the LGS wins, if we lose, the LGS will always find a customer, whether it be State or City which is a win. Same goes for most gun, ammo and accessory manufacturers or distributors. There will ALWAYS be a market. The manufacturers who don't "comply" will just be nationalized by the government or permis pulled and either regulated or forced out of business. We are no more than walking wallets...
Life's a bitch.....
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.