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It is a joke that the protest letter says all 50 states already allow concealed carry.  Who in Hawaii other than LEOs?  Doug Chin, as AG, is supposed to be the highest ranking LEO in the state.  I assume he has the right to CC?  Those in power, like in many other things, say it is OK for me, but not for you.

He lost all credibility when he invoked the anti-gun terminology, "We will resist any efforts by the federal government to turn our state into the Wild West..."

No state with CCW, including constitutional carry, have experienced this fictitious "Wild West" scenario.

It is a joke that the protest letter says all 50 states already allow concealed carry.  Who in Hawaii other than LEOs?  Doug Chin, as AG, is supposed to be the highest ranking LEO in the state.  I assume he has the right to CC?  Those in power, like in many other things, say it is OK for me, but not for you.

Ok, if all states already allow concealed carry, then there should be no issue with getting permits in other states and using them in hawaii right?  I dont even know how people tell these sort of lies and sleep at night.  Hawaii is notorious for issuing NO permits, and is the only may-issue state that has that distinction.  At least other gun control states issue a few hundred permits or so.

He lost all credibility when he invoked the anti-gun terminology, "We will resist any efforts by the federal government to turn our state into the Wild West..."

No state with CCW, including constitutional carry, have experienced this fictitious "Wild West" scenario.

Does he realize that to legally carry, the individual still needs to comply with handgun ownership requirements, which includes passing state/federal background checks?  In addition to that, the permit holder undergoes additional training and certification.  Of course he does, but he's full of it.

Does he realize that to legally carry, the individual still needs to comply with handgun ownership requirements, which includes passing state/federal background checks?  In addition to that, the permit holder undergoes additional training and certification.  Of course he does, but he's full of it.

Actually, that's not true.

National reciprocity means you can only be sure of your own residents having training.  Visitors coming from other states won't necessarily have the same CCW requirements.

It kills me reading the stuff that these guys spew. And to have all those Attorney General signatures who don't even know the constitution.

"We would not mandate that one State honor another’s fishing, liquor, or hunting permits, yet the proposed legislation applies that same flawed approach..."

What the hell does some random State's laws regarding fishing or drinking booze have anything to do with 2A? Drinking isn't a constitutional right...  2A is.  So the approach isn't flawed at all.

Actually, that's not true.

National reciprocity means you can only be sure of your own residents having training.  Visitors coming from other states won't necessarily have the same CCW requirements.

Ok, I'll give you that.    They'll have whatever requirements there are for CCW in their own state, which may or may not include training. 

Ok, I'll give you that.    They'll have whatever requirements there are for CCW in their own state, which may or may not include training.

I think the federal CCW law would have more support if they included a training component.  The problem arises when those training standards are being discussed.  Who decides on duration, content, amount of live fire, grading, etc?  Can't make it too tough, because it'll deny you a constitutional right.  Can't make it too easy, or it'll be a waste of time.

Maybe a blanket statement that there must be some CCW training to include familiarization with use of deadly force, federal and local laws, live fire skills, proper safe handling and holstering/drawing, and other basics any gun user should know. 

In short, an NRA-certified CCW class.  Leave it at that, and trust the NRA to make the courses not only adequate for safety, but also consistent nationwide.

Just a thought.

I think the federal CCW law would have more support if they included a training component.  The problem arises when those training standards are being discussed.  Who decides on duration, content, amount of live fire, grading, etc?  Can't make it too tough, because it'll deny you a constitutional right.  Can't make it too easy, or it'll be a waste of time.

Maybe a blanket statement that there must be some CCW training to include familiarization with use of deadly force, federal and local laws, live fire skills, proper safe handling and holstering/drawing, and other basics any gun user should know. 

In short, an NRA-certified CCW class.  Leave it at that, and trust the NRA to make the courses not only adequate for safety, but also consistent nationwide.

Just a thought.

If they mandated training classes, it still wouldn't fly by Chin.  He would still object to it.  If you look at the AG's that signed it, all the states that rarely issue permits signed it.  NY, CA, IL, MA.

The entire letter is full of it.  "HPD will have to make tough decisions who's allowed to carry".  I guess he thinks HPD is not competent enough to figure stuff out?  But the other states who allows CCW, their PD are competent enough.

I think the federal CCW law would have more support if they included a training component. The problem arises when those training standards are being discussed.  Who decides on duration, content, amount of live fire, grading, etc?  Can't make it too tough, because it'll deny you a constitutional right.  Can't make it too easy, or it'll be a waste of time.

Maybe a blanket statement that there must be some CCW training to include familiarization with use of deadly force, federal and local laws, live fire skills, proper safe handling and holstering/drawing, and other basics any gun user should know. 

In short, an NRA-certified CCW class.  Leave it at that, and trust the NRA to make the courses not only adequate for safety, but also consistent nationwide.

Just a thought.

I agree with the fact that a national minimum training level would go a long ways, and is ideal for both the ccw holder and the people around him.  Who knows, they may incorporate it into the bill before all is said and done.

That being said, however, there are pro-gun states that would absolutely fight any sort of nationalized training.   By doing this, you'd lose support of the 8 no permit states, and probably half of the red states currently supporting the bill.  And my personal opinion is that a training curriculum is strongly encouraged and ideal for everyone considering concealed carry, but should not be necessary for a law abiding citizen to exercise their gun rights -  which include ccw.  Part of the problem with mandatory training is that it opens the door to liberals throwing in all sorts of BS training requirements, recertification, sign offs by the state, insurance requirements, whatever into it.  And liberals would not be happy with the NRA certified class since they do not trust the NRA.

If they mandated training classes, it still wouldn't fly by Chin.  He would still object to it.  If you look at the AG's that signed it, all the states that rarely issue permits signed it.  NY, CA, IL, MA.

The entire letter is full of it.  "HPD will have to make tough decisions who's allowed to carry".  I guess he thinks HPD is not competent enough to figure stuff out?  But the other states who allows CCW, their PD are competent enough.

What decision is there to make?  Similar to a handgun permit, if the individual takes the training, passes the background screening, etc. they're allow to carry.    Hell, the decision is almost as easy as saying "no" to every CCW permit application.

What decision is there to make?  Similar to a handgun permit, if the individual takes the training, passes the background screening, etc. they're allow to carry.

Our law makers at any point could implement a training requirement that would allow for CCW, but haven't.  The "wild west" fear and argument would still be made.

The nra has a course called personal protection outsidè the home. It is exactly what I think we should have here as a prerequisite for a ccw  permit.

Like I said many times before, AG Chin is a weasel to look out for.
That letter is so full of b.s. it should be archived in the fiction section at the library.

Old news, The letter was published when the Bill  went into committee .
 

After reading the letter again, he's wasting his time.  We all know our senators are going to vote against HR38 anyways (Hirono, Schatz, Hanabusa, unsure about Gabbard).

He just wants his name in the paper again to move his career after he's done being AG.

After reading the letter again, he's wasting his time.  We all know our senators are going to vote against HR38 anyways (Hirono, Schatz, Hanabusa, unsure about Gabbard).

He just wants his name in the paper again to move his career after he's done being AG.

https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/2017.10.22_ags_opposed_to_conceal_carry_reciprocity_w_sigs.pdf

 ~15 AGs (blue states of course), and Chin was part of it wrote a letter of protest against the reciprocity bill a month ago as it was seriously starting to be considered by the House.

Penn AG signed it, but PA is 2A friendly . CCW's are $25 and a pulse; good for 5 years . No training required, show have your ID and checkbook ready.

Screw AG Chin-nuts!
Self serving SOB