Maybe true.  But once you open a dam's spillway, it's hard to close it once the flood of water comes through.  Once more people across the nation see that CCW isn't so bad, the argument against it is tougher.  Note that CCW has been expanding steadily over the last few decades with less "gun free zones" among many states because people are realizing the benefit of it.  In 1986, there were only 9 states that were unrestricted or "shall issue".  In 2017, there is 42 states


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http://www.gun-nuttery.com/rtc.php

Exactly.  The Dems heads will be exploding all over the country from the rapid spread of freedom. 

Here is the key phrasing.... "or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm "

In other words, I have a CCP from Utah.  Per this line I will be able to carry here.

HPD will then "interpret" the law to say that if you are a Hawaii resident, then you are not "allowed" to CCW and only non-residents can carry.

Isn't Hawaii a "May Issue CCW" state?  It doesn't necessarily prohibit CCW although in practice, it does.  Am I mistaken?

HPD will then "interpret" the law to say that if you are a Hawaii resident, then you are not "allowed" to CCW and only non-residents can carry.

That is why I like the House version better, as it specifically provides protection from illegal state "interpretation"

Isn't Hawaii a "May Issue CCW" state?  It doesn't necessarily prohibit CCW although in practice, it does.  Am I mistaken?

Yes it is, and people do have CCW lic here, just not the citizens.  That is why I think the state just banning all CCW lic will not be feasible.

Many Hawaii LEOSA already carry in Hawaii. Such as Prison guards, retired officers and other Federal retiree. But they are only on a one year license issued by the State with lots of hope to jump through.

If you already possess an out of state CCW and reciprocity does go thru, would that not be a pre-existing"  condition and not subject to being retroactive to anything Hawaii (Chin) may do to alter the law ? 

ANYBODY KNOW ?     

If you already possess an out of state CCW and reciprocity does go thru, would that not be a pre-existing"  condition and not subject to being retroactive to anything Hawaii (Chin) may do to alter the law ?

ANYBODY KNOW ?     

I'm not a lawyer nor did I got to a Holiday Inn Express last night, but if Hawaii bans concealed carry to get around HR38, I don't see you have ANY success with that. Here's the key part that makes HR38 worthless if you live in a state that would conceivably ban CCW outright:

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“(a) Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof (except as provided in subsection (b)) and subject only to the requirements of this section, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, who is carrying a valid identification document containing a photograph of the person, and who is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm or is entitled to carry a concealed firearm in the State in which the person resides, may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any State that—

“(1) has a statute under which residents of the State may apply for a license or permit to carry a concealed firearm; or

“(2) does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms by residents of the State for lawful purposes.

“(b) This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws of any State that—

“(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or

“(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park.

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In other words - national reciprocity is only viable because NOW all 50 states have some form of CCW on the books. Once a state removes CCW then it no longer applies within that state. Nothing in section B helps us out either. In  the law it clearly states that it will take effect 90 days after being signed into law - plenty of time for AG Chin to tell the Legislature that blood will soon run in the streets and that no one outside of on-duty LEO should be allowed to conceal carry. I have no belief that LEO crying out against that would have any impact - this state still makes LEOSA a giant pain in the ass for cops to comply with. What makes anyone think that CCW reciprocity would be the one thing this state rolls over and accepts? Not gonna happen.

This list from Every Town reads like a Christmas wish list for gun owners!!            

https://everytownresearch.org/concealed-carry-reciprocity-h-r-38-overriding-state-public-safety-laws/

There is already precedence set that the second amendment means American citizens have the RIGHT to have firearms (keep AND bear) for personal self defense.

That is why all States have provision for CCW or Open Carry. 

They cannot outright BAN carry.  Has to be one or the other, or both in free states.

That is how I understand it anyway..

There is already precedence set that the second amendment means American citizens have the RIGHT to have firearms (keep AND bear) for personal self defense.

That is why all States have provision for CCW or Open Carry. 

They cannot outright BAN carry.  Has to be one or the other, or both in free states.

That is how I understand it anyway..

They can ban concealed carry and only allow open carry within Hawaiii.  Thus , nullify all concealed carry permits .
Since both requires a permit in Hawaii.

If you already possess an out of state CCW and reciprocity does go thru, would that not be a pre-existing"  condition and not subject to being retroactive to anything Hawaii (Chin) may do to alter the law ?

Retroactive would have no effect, unless the new Hawaii law specifically made an exception for retroactive CCW.

There is already precedence set that the second amendment means American citizens have the RIGHT to have firearms (keep AND bear) for personal self defense.

That is why all States have provision for CCW or Open Carry. 

They cannot outright BAN carry.  Has to be one or the other, or both in free states.

That is how I understand it anyway..

That's what I understand as well.  That is the reason why all 50 states are may issue  at the least now.  And the reason why the bill is worded as it is.  They cannot change to no issue without inviting legal challenge that they would lose.

All the nazi states changed to may issue as of around 2013 because they had to.

That's what I understand as well.  That is the reason why all 50 states are may issue  at the least now.  And the reason why the bill is worded as it is.  They cannot change to no issue without inviting legal challenge that they would lose.

All the nazi states changed to may issue as of around 2013 because they had to.

I am sure the gestapo in these states feel like this about the coming of concealed carry... 

This list from Every Town reads like a Christmas wish list for gun owners!!            

https://everytownresearch.org/concealed-carry-reciprocity-h-r-38-overriding-state-public-safety-laws/

Gotta love Shannon Watts... she has no problem screaming to ban guns to save the children but had no problem sentencing sick children to death when she worked for GE Healthcare...

https://freedomoutpost.com/shannon-watts-isnt-who-she-seems/

CBS "News" "60 Minutes" covers the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act on it's February 11, 2018 show:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/concealed-carry-reciprocity-act-showdown/

Notice which side gets interrupted by Kroft, and which side doesn't get interrupted by Kroft... and it's not related to who is most full of shit... even including "authorities" who claim that ordinary citizens carrying firearms in public is "insane" and that until the Supreme Court rules that you have a right to carry in public, you have no right to carry in public (just like you had no right to "carry in the home" until Heller in 2008)... completely ignoring the SCOTUS ruling that says neither the court nor the constitution creates any rights, they are pre-existing. 

Edit: 8:01 AM Armed American Radio just posted the show from Sunday, Feb 11.  The first two segments of hour one are with Tim Schmidt (founder of CCW insurance provider US Concealed Carry Association) talking about his experience being interviewed for the "60 Minutes" piece above.

http://armedamericanradio.org/show-archives/2018-02-11/

Why can't this one or other states be forced to honor the CCW permits of other states the same way ALL states have been forced to issue and honor other states marriage licenses (Obergefell v. Hodges 2015). If you read the SCOTUS majority decision, changing a few words to reference 2A, it can be the exact same ruling.

So the Republicans have been in control of both chambers of the Congress and the executive branch for 23 months now... when are they getting the national concealed carry reciprocity act passed? Just askin'...

The bill dies when Congress adjournes in a few days.  It's all up to Young and Beck now.