Just armed myself at home. (Read 15187 times)

RSN172

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2017, 03:26:40 PM »
There is a dune buggy racer in Vegas (Baldwin I think) that he has suppressors on his home carry pistols because he has 2 children in the home (1 infant) and wants to reduce the hearing damage as much as he can if he needs to shoot while holding the baby.  Pretty good reason if you ask me.

That's the reason why I have electronic muffs right above my green laser sighted Glock.  Electronic muffs will protect your hearing AND give you bionic hearing at the same time.
Happily living in Puna

Heavies

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2017, 03:37:37 PM »
I was just thinking about that  :D

I got this

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HRJSWMK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

mounted in a location where one wouldn't usually have or hide valuables.  It is small, fast to get open, for just in case....

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2017, 05:14:12 PM »
I keep posting ads when the FAS1 quick-safes go on sale.  The discount nearly covers the high cost of shipping to HI, which unfortunately has risen to over double what I paid for USPS on my first safe purchase.

When I used a $100 quick-safe, I always moved the handgun to my gun safe when I left the house. Most handgun quick-safes are not much more secure than a cash register or locked cash box.

The FAS1 is heavy gauge steel and weighs about 25 lbs!  Its gas-assisted opener presents the pistols grip in its holster.  And the lock is a high-quality mechanical 5-push-button lock that let's you program single or double presses for more combinations.  With the key-lock feature they offer, you can even lock out the push-button lock to prevent kids or thieves from trying to guess the combo when you're gone.

There are lots of gun boxes out there with a variety of uses, but this is one of the few I've found that can actually be classified as a safe.  I have no worries leaving my pistols locked in them 24/7.

I highly recommend this.  It'll be your handgun safe for the life of the gun, and you can store pretty much anything of value in it that fits.

http://products.fas1safe.com/product.sc?productId=1&categoryId=1



The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

zippz

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2017, 07:35:41 PM »
What is the law on carrying weapons at your place of employment, like in this case where the woman cleaned other peoples homes?  Was there any court case or legal opinion on it?  Or is it that some cop said you can't.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2017, 07:48:38 PM »
What is the law on carrying weapons at your place of employment, like in this case where the woman cleaned other peoples homes?  Was there any court case or legal opinion on it?  Or is it that some cop said you can't.

If she was carrying, I think a case of justified self defense would negate any firearms charges.

If not, at least she'd be alive.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Heavies

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2017, 08:05:50 PM »
If she was carrying, I think a case of justified self defense would negate any firearms charges.

If not, at least she'd be alive.
Justified SD will NOT negate firearms charged.  I know a person who used a firearm in self defense here.  They were acquitted on assault with a deadly weapon, however, convicted on the firearm charge. Spent 5yrs in prison, convicted felon, no more rights.  That's Hawaii's messed up system for you.  And why I get so irate at Hawaii's perverted love affair with criminals and lowlifes..

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2017, 08:13:05 PM »
Justified SD will NOT negate firearms charged.  I know a person who used a firearm in self defense here.  They were acquitted on assault with a deadly weapon, however, convicted on the firearm charge. Spent 5yrs in prison, convicted felon, no more rights.  That's Hawaii's messed up system for you.  And why I get so irate at Hawaii's perverted love affair with criminals and lowlifes..

You didn't say what the firearms charge was.  Prohibited possession?  Place to keep?  Unregistered firearm?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Heavies

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2017, 09:26:52 PM »
You didn't say what the firearms charge was.  Prohibited possession?  Place to keep?  Unregistered firearm?
Don't know the exact charge.  However, all I know he wasn't a felon until he used a gun in self defense. He alive but now a felon.  That says enough, IMO

2ahavvaii

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2017, 10:09:43 PM »
Justified SD will NOT negate firearms charged.  I know a person who used a firearm in self defense here.  They were acquitted on assault with a deadly weapon, however, convicted on the firearm charge. Spent 5yrs in prison, convicted felon, no more rights.  That's Hawaii's messed up system for you.  And why I get so irate at Hawaii's perverted love affair with criminals and lowlifes..

not only hawaii, but in other states.  I read that if you shoot someone in SD in a gun free zone, you are highly likely to be charged.  If you do it in a non-gun free zone, but otherwise restricted (like private property or somewhere where there's a no-gun policy), you're not likely to be charged.

So say you're walking around in chinatown concealed carry, get assaulted, shoot the guy in self defense, like you said likely to get acquitted on assault or even murder, but going to get hit with a firearm charge.
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changemyoil66

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2017, 10:20:13 PM »
It all depends how good her atty is. The rental could be her "place of business". But a hassle to carry because she has to dissarm when leaving and unload, put gun in case. Then cant grab a coffee or supplies with gun in car.

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zippz

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2017, 10:42:12 PM »
It all depends how good her atty is. The rental could be her "place of business". But a hassle to carry because she has to dissarm when leaving and unload, put gun in case. Then cant grab a coffee or supplies with gun in car.

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yea forgot about that part.

Bushido

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2017, 09:22:01 AM »
You're allowed to carry at your place of business if your boss/owner allows. --- Does the landlord also have to give permission? Say you're a business owner leasing in a building owned by someone else/ corporation? Just curious, I am not in that situation.

macsak

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2017, 09:33:30 AM »
You're allowed to carry at your place of business if your boss/owner allows. --- Does the landlord also have to give permission? Say you're a business owner leasing in a building owned by someone else/ corporation? Just curious, I am not in that situation.

if it is not explicit in your lease that they are not allowed, it is ok

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2017, 10:34:30 AM »
if it is not explicit in your lease that they are not allowed, it is ok

In a job where you travel to other people's homes to clean, the line between place of business and a remote job location not under your legal control gets blurred. 

Baker would have been able to carry if he could have stipulated anyone's home he served court papers to was his place of business.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

RSN172

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2017, 11:31:13 AM »
In a job where you travel to other people's homes to clean, the line between place of business and a remote job location not under your legal control gets blurred. 

Baker would have been able to carry if he could have stipulated anyone's home he served court papers to was his place of business.
But would he have to take his unloaded weapon out of a case and then load it after he stepped off the public sidewalk and was on the person's property?  And then unload and back into the gun case before he stepped back on to the sidewalk?
Happily living in Puna

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2017, 11:40:26 AM »
But would he have to take his unloaded weapon out of a case and then load it after he stepped off the public sidewalk and was on the person's property?  And then unload and back into the gun case before he stepped back on to the sidewalk?

We can hypothetically parse "what ifs" all day.  It comes down to common sense on your part.  Odds of getting arrested between the roadway and the property line are essentially zero.  Odds of a Cop walking up to the car while you have a concealed firearm on is probably higher.  What are the odds a house cleaner would even wear a holster?  More likely going to have the firearm in a purse or other type bag to facilitate cleaning and moving around.  If the mag is not inserted, but the pistol and mag are in the purse, that ought to be legal.  Nothing in the law says the case has to be specifically a gun case.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Rocky

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2017, 12:27:32 PM »
We can hypothetically parse "what ifs" all day.  It comes down to common sense on your part.  Odds of getting arrested between the roadway and the property line are essentially zero.  Odds of a Cop walking up to the car while you have a concealed firearm on is probably higher.  What are the odds a house cleaner would even wear a holster?  More likely going to have the firearm in a purse or other type bag to facilitate cleaning and moving around.  If the mag is not inserted, but the pistol and mag are in the purse, that ought to be legal.  Nothing in the law says the case has to be specifically a gun case.
Double action hammerless revolver in ankle holster.  ;D
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2ahavvaii

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2017, 05:02:48 PM »
Interesting scenarios.  Say you do shoot someone in self defense outside of your home.  If you have a commercially manufactured pistol sock with you,  whose to say that you didn't pull it out, slap the mag into it, then shoot the attacker?  They really going to take the word of the assailant?  Assuming he's still alive?

macsak

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2017, 05:23:06 PM »
Interesting scenarios.  Say you do shoot someone in self defense outside of your home.  If you have a commercially manufactured pistol sock with you,  whose to say that you didn't pull it out, slap the mag into it, then shoot the attacker?  They really going to take the word of the assailant?  Assuming he's still alive?

shooting someone outside your home is not likely to be looked upon favorably by the state, even in self defense

Bushido

Re: Just armed myself at home.
« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2017, 07:51:20 PM »
if it is not explicit in your lease that they are not allowed, it is ok

Thanks Mac. My company has it clearly stated in our employee handbook "No firearms allowed on premises".