It's a little absurd. Age of consent in Hawaii is 15 last time I checked and it doesn't seem to have a negative impact. Yeah a 30 yo dude going after young girls is kind of creepy especially when you consider where girls heads are at during that age, but the 30yo also gets a lot of pressure from society and friends to date within their own decade (or at least wait until they are in their mid 20's so they have reasonable conversation skills when you take them out with friends).

It was a long time ago, doesn't seem like anybody got hurt, and in my opinion not a really good reason to ruin someone's political career.

I really can't say if he did molest a bunch of people in the past or present. If I had to hazard a guess, I would be inclined to say that he did.

Also, IMO A LOT of these 30 year old #metoo style claims are pretty much after the fact witch hunting.  Yes, many are true, but others are merely unwanted flirting/courting/creepy behavior/regret sex.  And to bring stuff up decades later - to get your 2 seconds in the spotlight, because the other party is famous, because you regret your actions in a quid pro quo situation is quite lame and just bandwaggoning.  Right now, society is dangerously crossing the line from legitimate claims that should be prosecuted (if true and with sufficient evidence, and within statute of limitations) to people just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. 

The most important concept of our justice system is that people are innocent until proven guilty.
We seem to be abandoning that in the news

The most important concept of our justice system is that people are innocent until proven guilty.
We seem to be abandoning that in the news

I also don't like how the media blasts the accused name, while protecting the identity of the accuser.  There are A LOT of fake harrassment rape claims, and they drag innocent people's names through the mud.  Why not wait until they are guilty in a court of law before encouraging people to throw stones?  Oh yeah, I forgot, viewership = $$$$$.  Who cares if it's a false accusation.

Look at the case of Tyler Strong.  He was eviscerated in the media and general public, but in court it was revealed that the intercourse was likely consensual, and that the girl (name protected), simply regretted it after the fact, and likely used sex with Strong to "get back" at another boyfriend.

The most important concept of our justice system is that people are innocent until proven guilty.
We seem to be abandoning that in the news

It's called "The Court of Public Opinion."  Nothing new about it.  What's different is the speed with which the information travels, the number of news outlets involved, and the size of the audience reached compared to pre-Internet days.

Little to no bad press about all the dems accused of sexual assault, but for Moore, he was in the media for a long time compared to others.

LOL!  I guess you're going to believe Snopes and not your "lying" eyes, huh?  Typical Liberal response.  We know she didn't forge the writing because she said she did write it, but didn't say so until the image was made available on the Internet?

She wouldn't lie about lying, would she?   

Didn't get it from snopes genius, great straw man argument though! And by great I mean hollow.

You are believing what you want to believe. She stated that it was from Moore. She then came out and stated that she added some notes. Sure, this is a red flag and we should question why she didn't say this later, but concluding that the whole thing was a forgery would be a non sequitur.

Are you a handwriting expert or you think you can post a picture of two signatures with a little bit of highlighter and think it proves this was all a lie? Are you seeking the truth or seeking what reinforces your current beliefs?

You also conveniently ignored the other facts I mention. There were multiple reports of sexual misconduct and his very questionable comments about race and slavery. Moore lost this election by himself.

Didn't get it from snopes genius, great straw man argument though! And by great I mean hollow.

You are believing what you want to believe. She stated that it was from Moore. She then came out and stated that she added some notes. Sure, this is a red flag and we should question why she didn't say this later, but concluding that the whole thing was a forgery would be a non sequitur.

Are you a handwriting expert or you think you can post a picture of two signatures with a little bit of highlighter and think it proves this was all a lie? Are you seeking the truth or seeking what reinforces your current beliefs?

You also conveniently ignored the other facts I mention. There were multiple reports of sexual misconduct and his very questionable comments about race and slavery. Moore lost this election by himself.

Other facts are meaningless when the accuser's credibility is now in question.  And by "in question", I mean "totally blown away."   

By the way, anyone hear from Moore's accusers since the election other than the new "story" about "I added notes right next to AND underneath the signature written by a different hand?"

** crickets **

What's different is the speed with which the information travels, the number of news outlets involved

You left out: the ideological agenda behind the accusations has a life of it's own.  With a totally one-sided MSM, this only flows one way.

When was the last time anyone saw a fake news retraction?

You left out: the ideological agenda behind the accusations has a life of it's own.  With a totally one-sided MSM, this only flows one way.

When was the last time anyone saw a fake news retraction?

Yep.  That's been the main point the last month every time Sanders is asked about Fake News accusations.

If the "errors" were truly unintended, you would expect about half of them to be harmful to Trump, and the other half to be helpful to Trump or harmful to those opposing him.  Yet, the reports that contain unsubstantiated BS that's later shown to be just that is harmful to the President, his administration or his agenda.

Anyone who understands statistics knows people follow a pattern in their methods.  If they were wrong because of their processes or methods, the distribution would be wider.  Instead, the "mistakes" are always focused on one target:  Trump.

Like a failed CEO, Trump needs to resign so Pence can take over and stop this sinking ship before we all drown. Yes, I know the Dems and the fake news and the allegations and the judges and the FBI and Killary emails and flaky GOP Senators and Mueller are to blame, but the buck stops with the commander and these are difficult times. If he quits now then the GOP might be able to save the midterm elections. I know you're not happy with this but it's the elephant in the room.

Like a failed CEO, Trump needs to resign so Pence can take over and stop this sinking ship before we all drown. Yes, I know the Dems and the fake news and the allegations and the judges and the FBI and Killary emails and flaky GOP Senators and Mueller are to blame, but the buck stops with the commander and these are difficult times. If he quits now then the GOP might be able to save the midterm elections. I know you're not happy with this but it's the elephant in the room.

Wrong.

Like a failed CEO, Trump needs to resign so Pence can take over and stop this sinking ship before we all drown. Yes, I know the Dems and the fake news and the allegations and the judges and the FBI and Killary emails and flaky GOP Senators and Mueller are to blame, but the buck stops with the commander and these are difficult times. If he quits now then the GOP might be able to save the midterm elections. I know you're not happy with this but it's the elephant in the room.

I'm trying to see how trump is sinking the ship?  The economy is booming, jobs are on a comeback, stock market is the highest it has ever been in history.....   Maybe the ones sinking the ship are the ones that constantly and continually pull the corks out of the leaks!  I've never seen so much hate for a president, and so much bullshit being thrown in that direction from every which way! 

A lesser man would have given up a long time ago, in light of that much friction... 

Maybe the status quo is the ones who need to be looked at VERYY VERY CLOSELY.  We'll never get that from the controlled media, nor other outlets, that previously where depended on to get FACTS from, even in the face of going against the grain.  All I see is a tank of raw sewage, and no hope of finding the diamonds amongst the turds.


Just SAYIN

Like a failed CEO, Trump needs to resign so Pence can take over and stop this sinking ship before we all drown. Yes, I know the Dems and the fake news and the allegations and the judges and the FBI and Killary emails and flaky GOP Senators and Mueller are to blame, but the buck stops with the commander and these are difficult times. If he quits now then the GOP might be able to save the midterm elections. I know you're not happy with this but it's the elephant in the room.

Dont look liek the ship is sinking from here.

Other facts are meaningless when the accuser's credibility is now in question.  And by "in question", I mean "totally blown away."   

By the way, anyone hear from Moore's accusers since the election other than the new "story" about "I added notes right next to AND underneath the signature written by a different hand?"

** crickets **

Yes, I already stated her later addition about the signature hurts her credibility but it doesn't mean she is lying. However, like I pointed out, even if you throw out her testimony, there are more accusers. If it was a single accuser I would be ready to believe this was a hit piece but that is not the case so I believe the allegations in general to be true.


Are you complaining that the news hasn't gone back and interviewed her again after the election? What does this prove?

By the way, CNN did interview her after the election results so....