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Neither. Again, I am not talking about the end user, I am talking about a content provider, a website. You paying more to get good speed is irrelevant if what you want is blocked or specifically slowed by an internet provider.

It seems you don't fully understand the history of this issue. Here is one of the actual specific issues that really brought this to light. Comcast, an internet provider, is also part owner of Hulu which is a direct competitor with Netflix. Comcast could then slow down the signal from Netflix instead prioritizing videos from Hulu. So use a little imagination and see how an internet provider could "slow" access to things they don't like. What if they "slowed" access pro second amendment websites? Besides, this issue doesn't just boil down to speed but any form of access so effectively the question of net neutrality could even cover whether a website is just completely banned instead of just being slowed.

And yes, an internet provider does have the capability of slowing down traffic.

Except for th fact that doing so would be illegal and regulated by the FTC,

Section 5(a)(1) of the FTC Act[4] prohibits “unfair methods of competition,” a term that courts have held encompasses all violations of the Sherman Act,[5] the primary federal antitrust law.[6] In applying Section 5, the FTC assesses most restrictive business agreements under the antitrust “rule of reason,” which seeks to determine whether the overall effect of a particular restraint is beneficial rather than harmful to the competitive process. A smaller category of “inherently bad” restrictive agreements will be condemned out of hand (without regard to any possible justifications) as “per se” illegal.

The FCC has been regulatory captured by industry. The foxes are in the hen house. It's a little naive to think they would take an anti monopolistic stance at this point. The ball was set in motion years ago when Clinton kicked off the first wave of media conglomeration.

The FCC has been regulatory captured by industry. The foxes are in the hen house. It's a little naive to think they would take an anti monopolistic stance at this point. The ball was set in motion years ago when Clinton kicked off the first wave of media conglomeration.

Yeah,yeah yeah. All kinds of bad stuff is going to happen... so you say. Anyone espousing the view of some version of "the end of the internet" just put your money where your mouth is and give us the timeline of exactly what is going to happen when, so we can see if your claims turn out to be true or false. Or would you (for some reason... easy to guess) rather just make apocalyptic generic predictions based upon ideological propaganda viewpoints while providing no ability at all to test the validity of your claims? Or is it like "global cooling" "global warming" "climate change" and none of us will know if it is true or not because the forecast is for the year 2100? But it's bad, really bad, and we need the government to intervene immediately and take control of the situation... especially given the government track record of running things efficiently and without any corruption or waste.

I will be posting this exact same comment on the GOP tax bill thread, where the same poster has posted the same generic arguments without providing any means of testing his hypothesis (now or any time in the future), merely substituting "end of the economy" for "end of the internet".

ISPs will block entire sites if they decide the content of a site is illegal or against their terns of use policy.  Other than that, they can't legally instigate random or selective interference of services.

Please include links for your source material.

As for your question, here is an article about the Netflix Comcast issue in 2014.
https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/

But lets say it never actually happened, lets say this was just a fear of something that had not manifested. Why not head it off anyway? Why not prevent it from happening in the future? Voter fraud hasn't been shown to be a large problem but we still want voter ID laws. So why not treat it like a public utility and say they have to provide equal service regardless of content?

What if your internet provider decided they didn't like pro 2nd amendment websites and blocked access to this website?

Except for th fact that doing so would be illegal and regulated by the FTC,

Section 5(a)(1) of the FTC Act[4] prohibits “unfair methods of competition,” a term that courts have held encompasses all violations of the Sherman Act,[5] the primary federal antitrust law.[6] In applying Section 5, the FTC assesses most restrictive business agreements under the antitrust “rule of reason,” which seeks to determine whether the overall effect of a particular restraint is beneficial rather than harmful to the competitive process. A smaller category of “inherently bad” restrictive agreements will be condemned out of hand (without regard to any possible justifications) as “per se” illegal.

Ok, certainly a legal argument to be made there. It seems like it would fall in the gray area though which could mean a lengthy and costly legal battle if an alleged violation occurred.

If your ISP decided they don't like 2ahawaii.com and blocked it or severely slowed its access speeds, would this be an antitrust issue? Not quite the same as the standard issue of a company edging out a competitor since this website and an ISP are not competitors nor do they provide the same services.

I am not saying you are wrong here but I think it would be a tough legal fight to prove was a violation were it to actually happen.

Please include links for your source material.

As for your question, here is an article about the Netflix Comcast issue in 2014.
https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/

But lets say it never actually happened, lets say this was just a fear of something that had not manifested. Why not head it off anyway? Why not prevent it from happening in the future? Voter fraud hasn't been shown to be a large problem but we still want voter ID laws. So why not treat it like a public utility and say they have to provide equal service regardless of content?

What if your internet provider decided they didn't like pro 2nd amendment websites and blocked access to this website?

 

Did you even understand the content of the link you posted??

...the drop in speeds wasn’t an issue of the ISP throttling or blocking service to Netflix.
Rather, the ISPs were allowing for Netflix traffic to bottleneck at what’s known as “peering ports,” the connection between
Netflix’s bandwidth provider and the ISPs.

Only you could post a source that says the exact opposite of the "fact" you tried to prove.   

As for your making rules before there is ever a violation of them, it's not the government's place to make laws and rules for everything that might -- or might never -- happen.

Voter fraud not only happens, it happens more and more often, and without Voter ID laws, we will never know to what extent that problem has grown.  You can't measure something that by its very nature involves hiding the truth.

Please include links for your source material.

As for your question, here is an article about the Netflix Comcast issue in 2014.
https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/

But lets say it never actually happened, lets say this was just a fear of something that had not manifested. Why not head it off anyway? Why not prevent it from happening in the future? Voter fraud hasn't been shown to be a large problem but we still want voter ID laws. So why not treat it like a public utility and say they have to provide equal service regardless of content?

What if your internet provider decided they didn't like pro 2nd amendment websites and blocked access to this website?

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That's why ignored him.  He didn't read ahead.   

Worse case scenario is if there major abuse taking place on the internet in the future, you could pass net neutrality then.  I don't see a need for it now.

Until then we guard ourselves from beings that live under the bridge. Stay vigilant!

https://www.theonion.com/world-agrees-to-just-take-down-internet-for-a-while-unt-1819579575

World Agrees To Just Take Down Internet For A While Until They Can Find A Good Use For It

Speaking to reporters, individuals across the globe cited social media as perhaps the internet’s most problematic component, having wrongly assumed it was wise to allow people to share their opinions via a tool that generously rewards whoever makes the most shocking and abhorrent statements most frequently.

But the populace also observed that the internet, originally designed as a way for research institutions to share data, was now largely a repository of sponsored content, pop-up ads, movies no one will ever watch, spam, elaborate identity theft schemes, bank accounts vulnerable to hacking, middle-aged men badly covering Aerosmith on YouTube, futile online petitions, grossly embellished OkCupid profiles, spyware, fan-generated Lord Of The Rings erotica, celebrity gossip, anti-Semitic memes, revenge porn, deceptive apartment listings, and death threats.

“The internet is horrible—there’s so much of this thing that people just shouldn’t be using at all,” said Graham Curtis, a 52-year-old Dublin, Ireland, resident. “I think the original idea was that you’d log on and express a viewpoint, and then someone else would express theirs. Then some kind of semi-constructive dialogue would take place. Instead, you go online and someone almost immediately tells you he’d laugh so hard if you offed yourself.”

Did you even understand the content of the link you posted??

Only you could post a source that says the exact opposite of the "fact" you tried to prove.   

As for your making rules before there is ever a violation of them, it's not the government's place to make laws and rules for everything that might -- or might never -- happen.

Voter fraud not only happens, it happens more and more often, and without Voter ID laws, we will never know to what extent that problem has grown.  You can't measure something that by its very nature involves hiding the truth.

Yes, Netflix wasn't directly throttled but it was indirectly throttled but if you read more you can see where it did occur.

"Until recently, if peering ports became congested with downstream traffic, it was common practice for an ISP to temporarily open up new ports to maintain the flow of data. This was not a business arrangement; just something that had been done as a courtesy. ISPs would expect the bandwidth companies to do the same if there was a spike in upstream traffic. However, there is virtually no upstream traffic with Netflix, so the Comcasts and Verizons of the world claimed they were being taken advantage of."

So where other companies opened up new ports to maintain the flow of data during spikes they didn't do that for Netflix. So is it a glaring violation? No but enough to raise the issue of net neutrality.

Liberals always point out that there is little to no evidence of voter fraud that a voter ID law would solve and you are using the same logic here. Why do you have to wait for the problem to arrive before doing something to stop it? No one flew buildings into airplanes until they did then everyone asked why there weren't measures in place to have prevented it.

So yes, while there may not have been a serious issue here I still think there is enough reason for the government to treat ISPs like utilities and have some regulations.

What is the big argument against net neutrality? I get the general push against larger government but what specifically about net neutrality legislation is so harmful?

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I replied to him and explained why I didn't think that section applied. Maybe you should read ahead.

Worse case scenario is if there major abuse taking place on the internet in the future, you could pass net neutrality then.  I don't see a need for it now.

I do understand that sentiment but here would be why I am not sure that is wise. The internet has become a means of influencing politics and politicians. If the day came where ISPs were throttling down or blocking a particular political idea, it is going to be much harder to then spread the message that we need net neutrality because those being slowed who would then want/need net neutrality are the ones who wouldn't be able to politic as easily. So for example, if ISPs blocked all pro gun information on the internet it would be more difficult for us to lobby for net neutrality to protect gun rights. Kind of like saying we will pass gun rights only when the government starts becoming tyrannical.