Net Neutrality is Dead (Read 22743 times)

hvybarrels

Net Neutrality is Dead
« on: December 14, 2017, 05:25:24 PM »
How many mass shootings on the mainland do you think it will take until Spectrum starts throttling back 2aHawaii.com and hawaiirifleassociation.org? 

(or demands extra money?)
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Net Neutrality is Dead
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2017, 05:30:22 PM »
How many mass shootings on the mainland do you think it will take until Spectrum starts throttling back 2aHawaii.com and hawaiirifleassociation.org? 

(or demands extra money?)

As opposed to the gov't hitting the "censor" switch when a Democrat get's caught with his pants down 1 month before an election?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Net Neutrality is Dead
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2017, 08:01:54 PM »
As opposed to the gov't hitting the "censor" switch when a Democrat get's caught with his pants down 1 month before an election?

Um, maybe? Not sure what you are talking about. Most of the giant media companies and telecoms are left-leaning and not afraid to swing their silicon sausage when it comes to shoving views down everyone's throat. Hillary would have never gotten as far as she did without them.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/10/fired-google-employee-lack-of-ideological-diversity-has-hurt-our-products.html

The greatest benefit of mass surveillance has been confirming all the racial stereotypes.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Net Neutrality is Dead
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2017, 08:30:19 PM »
Um, maybe? Not sure what you are talking about. Most of the giant media companies and telecoms are left-leaning and not afraid to swing their silicon sausage when it comes to shoving views down everyone's throat. Hillary would have never gotten as far as she did without them.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/10/fired-google-employee-lack-of-ideological-diversity-has-hurt-our-products.html

The nice thing about capitalism is where there's demand, there's someone willing to cater to it.  In case you missed it, conservatism isn't dead, nor are conservatives broke.  If we need another player in the market to balance the Liberals, we'll get it.  If the gov't is running things?  Remember the IRS targeting Tea Party nonprofits?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Net Neutrality is Dead
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2017, 09:22:05 PM »
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“It is time for the Internet, once again, to be driven by engineers and entrepreneurs and
consumers rather than lawyers, accountants and bureaucrats.”

Makes sense to me. Abuse of any regulations when it comes to mass communication is a perpetual concern.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/14/net-neutrality-vote-fcc-hearing-room-briefly-cleared-after-security-threat.html
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Net Neutrality is Dead
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2017, 06:58:39 AM »
Um, maybe? Not sure what you are talking about. Most of the giant media companies and telecoms are left-leaning and not afraid to swing their silicon sausage when it comes to shoving views down everyone's throat. Hillary would have never gotten as far as she did without them.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/10/fired-google-employee-lack-of-ideological-diversity-has-hurt-our-products.html
And since most or all of the giant media companies are supporting Net Neutrality, then you also support the giant media companies?

Most or all of the giant media companies are supporting Net Neutrality so they can squash their competition and run out the little guys. We all know what happens when competition is eliminated...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/18613/7-reasons-net-neutrality-idiotic-aaron-bandler

The Internet was alive and well and mostly free of most the things you think will happen without Net Neutrality in place. Because I am ignorant of these things, maybe you can provide me with examples of all the things that you say are going to occur without Net Neutrality that happened in the previous 20 years when there was no Net neutrality? I would think that if all the bad things you say are going to happen would have already been happening before Net Neutrality was in place.
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rklapp

Re: Net Neutrality is Dead
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2017, 08:48:42 AM »
I would reply but I’m having trouble downloading your message.
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hvybarrels

Re: Net Neutrality is Dead
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2017, 10:07:13 AM »
I can see how the "War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery." arguments have their appeal especially when opposing something means *gasp* sharing an opinion with someone that has ideological differences when it comes to other issues.

My first post lays out the concerns very clearly.

Spectrum can now throttle 2a and HRA (or most likely demand more money ala Facebook adverts) and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Even if HawaiianTel decides to pass on the extra revenue stream that still means the majority of our audience is going to have a diminished experience. Either this site will have to start charging users or move operations to one of the big net company platforms that have no problem squashing opinions that they don't agree with. If you like 1A there's always direct mail flyers and actual meet-ups I suppose.

Marx was right about one thing. Unregulated Capitalism becomes a parasite that inevitably kills the host.
The greatest benefit of mass surveillance has been confirming all the racial stereotypes.

London808

Re: Net Neutrality is Dead
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2017, 11:16:51 AM »
I can see how the "War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery." arguments have their appeal especially when opposing something means *gasp* sharing an opinion with someone that has ideological differences when it comes to other issues.

My first post lays out the concerns very clearly.

Spectrum can now throttle 2a and HRA (or most likely demand more money ala Facebook adverts) and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Even if HawaiianTel decides to pass on the extra revenue stream that still means the majority of our audience is going to have a diminished experience. Either this site will have to start charging users or move operations to one of the big net company platforms that have no problem squashing opinions that they don't agree with. If you like 1A there's always direct mail flyers and actual meet-ups I suppose.

Marx was right about one thing. Unregulated Capitalism becomes a parasite that inevitably kills the host.

Not true, they can not throttle anyone, what they can do is offer a faster option for traffic tho.

For example if you pay for a 10Mb connection, all traffic will come to you at 10MB.  But say they want to offer you the option to pay for netflix to be at faster rate of 15MB for an ectra $5 a month they can.
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London808

Re: Net Neutrality is Dead
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2017, 11:17:58 AM »
Or another way to look at it is this, it’s like a toll road .

Drive at 60MPH on the regular freeway or pay $10 a month and drive on the express freeway at $70 but that freeway only goes to one destination unlike the regular freeway which goes everywhere

"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

s197

Re: Net Neutrality is Dead
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2017, 11:50:04 AM »
Not true, they can not throttle anyone, what they can do is offer a faster option for traffic tho.

For example if you pay for a 10Mb connection, all traffic will come to you at 10MB.  But say they want to offer you the option to pay for netflix to be at faster rate of 15MB for an ectra $5 a month they can.
Source on "not being able to throttle anyone?"

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rklapp

Re: Net Neutrality is Dead
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2017, 12:00:43 PM »
And we all love toll roads...
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Net Neutrality is Dead
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2017, 12:02:26 PM »
And we all love toll roads...

You do if you built the road and are charging the toll!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Net Neutrality is Dead
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2017, 12:04:32 PM »
Source on "not being able to throttle anyone?"

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They can throttle bandwidth speeds IF the contract the customer agreed to says they can.  This is one of those issues that providers already are abandoning to draw new customers in since the infrastructure can support higher network saturation.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Net Neutrality is Dead
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2017, 01:04:53 PM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

s197

Re: Net Neutrality is Dead
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2017, 01:10:03 PM »
They can throttle bandwidth speeds IF the contract the customer agreed to says they can.  This is one of those issues that providers already are abandoning to draw new customers in since the infrastructure can support higher network saturation.
Have you seen all the "unlimited" plans by the wireless carriers? It's the same way, you have a grandfathered plan you're Ok but eventually they'll get the majority of people to change contracts that allow throttling, cap video resolution, music quality, etc.

Your home Internet will be the same way, you'll have to pay more if you want what you have now.

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changemyoil66

Re: Net Neutrality is Dead
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2017, 01:11:52 PM »
I already have the highest bandwith for Spectrum and still lag when playing call of duty.  Can I get my money back?

ren

Re: Net Neutrality is Dead
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2017, 01:19:32 PM »
I already have the highest bandwith for Spectrum and still lag when playing call of duty.  Can I get my money back?

no
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Net Neutrality is Dead
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2017, 01:30:17 PM »
Have you seen all the "unlimited" plans by the wireless carriers? It's the same way, you have a grandfathered plan you're Ok but eventually they'll get the majority of people to change contracts that allow throttling, cap video resolution, music quality, etc.

Your home Internet will be the same way, you'll have to pay more if you want what you have now.

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I already pay for the 300Mbps plan -- the fastest residential plan available in my area. 

Hurt me, hurt me!   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw