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changemyoil66

Re: Trump
« Reply #1860 on: September 23, 2019, 01:10:02 PM »
Whistleblower was same guy who told the papers there was russian colussion. Then used the papers as a source to get a warrant. Oops, that card been played alre ady.

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changemyoil66

Re: Trump
« Reply #1861 on: September 24, 2019, 01:24:25 PM »
Another impeachment attempt by the DNC.  Trump is setting them up to force the release of how corrupt Biden and his son are.  So fake news will be all over this since it's Pelosi who's the one giving the speech.  Then when it turns out info on the Biden's are released, news will go dark about it. 

aieahound

Re: Trump
« Reply #1862 on: September 24, 2019, 08:21:16 PM »
Trump’s just mean.
Make’s everyone else think mean is O.K.

If he did His policies with ANY tact, he would be much more well respected and received.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump
« Reply #1863 on: September 24, 2019, 09:04:52 PM »
Trump’s just mean.
Make’s everyone else think mean is O.K.

If he did His policies with ANY tact, he would be much more well respected and received.

The people who will vote for Trump don't dwell on his trolling and name calling.  In fact, many are supporters because they are tired of having nothing but lying, pandering politicians running for office.  They like Trump BECAUSE he's a fighter ... or "mean" as you say.

The people who hate Trump because he beat the Hildabeast will never vote for him.  Changing his ways at this point would be pointless.

I think demonizing half the voters in the country as hildabeast did is meaner than anything Trump has ever said.

Here's a refresher, in case you'd forgotten.  BTW, she's the epitome of a lying, pandering politician, too.  That she thought this was going to help her get elected is evidence she had no idea what "America" is.

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You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables.
(Laughter/applause)
Right?
(Laughter/applause)
They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic – Islamophobic – you name it.
And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only
have 11,000 people – now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some
of those folks –

they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Trump
« Reply #1864 on: September 24, 2019, 09:12:02 PM »
Trump’s just mean.
Make’s everyone else think mean is O.K.

If he did His policies with ANY tact, he would be much more well respected and received.
I look at results Trump gets, as well as positive things he’s done for America. I don’t care if he isn’t as “well spoken” as Obama or other typical politician. I would rather he tone down some of his behavior. As for being meen, I’m not offended. Then again, I’m not that easily offended...

punaperson

Re: Trump
« Reply #1865 on: September 24, 2019, 09:45:42 PM »
Trump making the same sorts of judgments and evaluations of his opponents as they make of him is "mean"? That's laughable.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump
« Reply #1866 on: September 24, 2019, 10:02:30 PM »
Trump making the same sorts of judgments and evaluations of his opponents as they make of him is "mean"? That's laughable.

When THEY do it, it's news -- the truth -- just stating facts.

When he does it, it's attacking -- mean -- racist -- unpresidential.

If you're getting your opinions from the main stream media, you're being given the mushroom treatment.

It's much easier to convince someone of a lie than it is to convince them they've been lied to.

Only with a Pelosi-run House would we see impeachment inquiries into the President, and NO INTEREST as to whether VP Joe Biden influenced Ukraine on his son's behalf (firing the prosecutor there).
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump
« Reply #1867 on: September 24, 2019, 10:08:46 PM »
What passes does trump get that held obama to?


EEF, look more into ukraine if u can. Hunter was  investigated and daddy joe spoke to ukraine gov. Prosecutor got fired immediatly and everything stopped.

I highly doubt trump "threatened" ukraine at all. He knows theres people listening on all phone calls and tapes would be "leaked" it he did.

Like i said, this is very old news. Those who get their news from real news sites, knew about this a very long time ago.

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The company that Hunter Biden was on the board of was being investigated, Hunter himself was not under investigation (that we know of). The prosecutor was allegedly doing a poor job at investigating corruption and his deputy even said that the prosecutor who got fired was corrupt. The prosecutor didn't get fired immediately, he got fired about 4 months later in March 2016. Is there a potential conflict of interest? Yes. Is there sufficient proof that it was a quid pro quo? No.

I am not saying Trump threatened Ukraine, this I do not know. I still have more to digest on what Trump said/did before I can make a judgement call. But what I do know is that the holding up of the whistleblower's report from congress doesn't look good. If the police chief was reported to have done something wrong and one of his own detectives said "don't worry, we investigated, everything is fine but we won't share it with anyone else" would that be ok? Of course not, even if the complaint turned out not to be true, the hiding of it looks terrible and is not government transparency. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if this complaint against Trump turns out to be completely baseless, but refusing to release the whistleblower complaint to congress is not how it is supposed to work.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump
« Reply #1868 on: September 24, 2019, 10:14:54 PM »
The company that Hunter Biden was on the board of was being investigated, Hunter himself was not under investigation (that we know of). The prosecutor was allegedly doing a poor job at investigating corruption and his deputy even said that the prosecutor who got fired was corrupt. The prosecutor didn't get fired immediately, he got fired about 4 months later in March 2016. Is there a potential conflict of interest? Yes. Is there sufficient proof that it was a quid pro quo? No.

I am not saying Trump threatened Ukraine, this I do not know. I still have more to digest on what Trump said/did before I can make a judgement call. But what I do know is that the holding up of the whistleblower's report from congress doesn't look good. If the police chief was reported to have done something wrong and one of his own detectives said "don't worry, we investigated, everything is fine but we won't share it with anyone else" would that be ok? Of course not, even if the complaint turned out not to be true, the hiding of it looks terrible and is not government transparency. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if this complaint against Trump turns out to be completely baseless, but refusing to release the whistleblower complaint to congress is not how it is supposed to work.

There was no whistleblower complaint.  A whistleblower has evidence of wrongdoing.

This was a hearsay complaint that didn't rise to the level of whistleblower. 

Obama was infamous for treating actual whistleblowers as targets.  Do some research.  Trump did nothing wrong in this case.

How many times did the House call for impeachment inquiries against Obama for whistleblower reports not reaching Congress?

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Over the past three and a half years the Obama White House has instead shown a ferocious hostility to many whistleblowers
and earned itself the ire of progressive columnists like Salon's Glenn Greenwald and whistleblower defence groups like the
Project on Government Oversight and the Government Accountability Project.

Danielle Brian, of the PGO, has said the US department of justice in the Obama administration "sent a clear of message of fear
and intimidation" to whistleblowers in the national security field. This is how the GAP's Jesselyn Raddack – herself a former
whistleblower at the DoJ – put it: "While the Bush administration treated whistleblowers unmercifully, the Obama administration
has been far worse. It is actually prosecuting them," she wrote recently.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/apr/11/obama-administration-whistleblowers-paul-harris
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump
« Reply #1869 on: September 24, 2019, 10:15:27 PM »
You're an idiot.  There was no "whistleblower".  There is no evidence Trump did anything wrong.

The so-called whistleblower was not a direct witness to anything Trump did or said.  it was a rumor that someone in the administration started, and the person reporting it only heard from someone Trump might have said something bad -- but nothing illegal.

The agency that looked into the report determined the person who did the reporting is not even able to be called a "whistleblower".  There was no evidence, direct witness or otherwise, to substantiate the allegation.

The only double standard I see is that Conservatives are deemed guilty with calls for impeachment (Kavanaugh and Trump in less than a week) based on flimsy hearsay stories and zero evidence.  But when Comey, Strozk, Hillary and Biden are being called out BY THE MEDIA and DOJ for illegal acts -- with evidence -- they find justifications for not holding them accountable, such as "could not prove criminal intent" or "didn't know it was a crime".

Just shut up.


You truly have no appreciation of someone trying to be objective and navigating through a complex story do you? They either must instantly accept your assessment of the situation otherwise they are stupid and should shut up. See, unlike you I don't have Trumps privates so deep down my throat that I can actually look around at what is being reported and have adult conversations to help me digest what is going on. While you are caressing his balls with your allegiance other people are trying to weigh the facts as they learn about them.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump
« Reply #1870 on: September 24, 2019, 10:15:49 PM »
Whistleblower was same guy who told the papers there was russian colussion. Then used the papers as a source to get a warrant. Oops, that card been played alre ady.

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Have a source for this?

aieahound

Re: Trump
« Reply #1871 on: September 24, 2019, 10:17:12 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson link=topic=29917.msg309303#msg309303date=1569395092
The people who will vote for Trump don't dwell on his trolling and name calling.

Sounds like you’re all talking about millennials. What? Triggered?

Name calling? What is this third grade?

Trump. Doing good things which I argue for but his tact is shit.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump
« Reply #1872 on: September 24, 2019, 10:20:14 PM »
Sounds like you’re all talking about millennials. What? Triggered?

Name calling? What is this third grade?

Trump. Doing good things which I argue for but his tact is shit.

Name calling --  He has nicknames for the people he talks about on Twitter.  "Rocket man", "Pocahontas" and "Sleepy Joe" are just a few.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Trump
« Reply #1873 on: September 24, 2019, 10:21:55 PM »
And your response is?