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macsak

Re: Trump
« Reply #200 on: January 26, 2018, 04:53:13 PM »
You're asking to wrong people about standards.  Selective enforcement is the norm.

heads

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump
« Reply #201 on: January 26, 2018, 04:56:10 PM »
For 2017, GDP growth by quarter:

Q1:  1.2%
Q2:  3.1%
Q3:  3.2%
Q4:  2.6% (est.)

We can't really give Trump the "credit" for Q1, since he'd not made any policy changes before hist first 3 months in office.

For comparison, Obama's first quarter was -(5.4%).  So, if we aren't going to blame Obama for Bush's economic policies his first 3 months, Trump's 1st quarter 1.2% increase is really Obamas.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Trump
« Reply #202 on: January 26, 2018, 05:08:40 PM »
For 2017, GDP growth by quarter:

Q1:  1.2%
Q2:  3.1%
Q3:  3.2%
Q4:  2.6% (est.)

We can't really give Trump the "credit" for Q1, since he'd not made any policy changes before hist first 3 months in office.

For comparison, Obama's first quarter was -(5.4%).  So, if we aren't going to blame Obama for Bush's economic policies his first 3 months, Trump's 1st quarter 1.2% increase is really Obamas.

what are you talking about?
even in the Golden Child's second term, any poor economic results were dismissed with "just blame bush"

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump
« Reply #203 on: January 26, 2018, 05:15:04 PM »
what are you talking about?
even in the Golden Child's second term, any poor economic results were dismissed with "just blame bush"

The longer I live, the less sure I am of anything I'm talking about.

Yeah.  Whatever you said.  Cool.   :thumbsup:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rklapp

Re: Trump
« Reply #204 on: January 26, 2018, 09:47:14 PM »
Now, I know a lot about West Point.  I’m a person that very strongly believes in academics.  In fact, every time I say I had an uncle who was a great professor at MIT for 35 years who did a fantastic job in so many different ways, academically -- was an academic genius -- and then they say, is Donald Trump an intellectual?  Trust me, I’m like a smart persona.  (Laughter.)  And I recognized immediately.  So he was number one at West Point, and he was also essentially number one at Harvard Law School.  And then he decided to go into the military.  And he ran for Congress.  And everything he’s done has been a homerun.  People like him, but much more importantly to me, everybody respects him.  And when I told Paul Ryan that I wanted to do this, I would say he may be the only person that was not totally thrilled -- right, Mike?  Because he said, I don’t want to lose this guy.
But you will be getting a total star.  You’re going to be getting a total gem.  He’s a gem.  (Applause.)  You’ll see.  You’ll see.  And many of you know him anyway.  But you’re going to see.  And again, we have some great people going in.  But this one is something -- is going to be very special, because this is one, if I had to name the most important, this would certainly be perhaps -- you know, in certain ways, you could say my most important.  You do the job like everybody in this room is capable of doing.  And the generals are wonderful, and the fighting is wonderful.  But if you give them the right direction, boy, does the fighting become easier.  And, boy, do we lose so fewer lives, and win so quickly.  And that’s what we have to do.  We have to start winning again.
I believe that this group is going to be one of the most important groups in this country toward making us safe, toward making us winners again, toward ending all of the problems.  We have so many problems that are interrelated that we don’t even think of, but interrelated to the kind of havoc and fear that this sick group of people has caused.  So I can only say that I am with you 1,000 percent.
And the reason you’re my first stop is that, as you know, I have a running war with the media.  They are among the most dishonest human beings on Earth.  (Laughter and applause.)  And they sort of made it sound like I had a feud with the intelligence community.  And I just want to let you know, the reason you’re the number-one stop is exactly the opposite -- exactly.  And they understand that, too.
And I was explaining about the numbers.  We did a thing yesterday at the speech.  Did everybody like the speech?  (Applause.)  I’ve been given good reviews.  But we had a massive field of people.  You saw them.  Packed.  I get up this morning, I turn on one of the networks, and they show an empty field.  I say, wait a minute, I made a speech.  I looked out, the field was -- it looked like a million, million and a half people.  They showed a field where there were practically nobody standing there.  And they said, Donald Trump did not draw well.  I said, it was almost raining, the rain should have scared them away, but God looked down and he said, we’re not going to let it rain on your speech.
In fact, when I first started, I said, oh, no.  The first line, I got hit by a couple of drops.  And I said, oh, this is too bad, but we’ll go right through it.  But the truth is that it stopped immediately.  It was amazing.  And then it became really sunny.  And then I walked off and it poured right after I left.  It poured.  But, you know, we have something that’s amazing because we had -- it looked -- honestly, it looked like a million and a half people.  Whatever it was, it was.  But it went all the way back to the Washington Monument.  And I turn on -- and by mistake I get this network, and it showed an empty field.  And it said we drew 250,000 people.  Now, that’s not bad, but it’s a lie.  We had 250,000 people literally around -- you know, in the little bowl that we constructed.  That was 250,000 people.  The rest of the 20-block area, all the way back to the Washington Monument, was packed.  So we caught them, and we caught them in a beauty.  And I think they’re going to pay a big price.
You know, when I was young and when I was -- of course, I feel young.  I feel like I’m 30, 35, 39.  (Laughter.)  Somebody said, are you young?  I said, I think I’m young.  You know, I was stopping -- when we were in the final month of that campaign, four stops, five stops, seven stops.  Speeches, speeches, in front of 25,000, 30,000 people, 15,000, 19,000 from stop to stop.  I feel young.
When I was young -- and I think we’re all sort of young.  When I was young, we were always winning things in this country.  We’d win with trade.  We’d win with wars.  At a certain age, I remember hearing from one of my instructors, “The United States has never lost a war.”  And then, after that, it’s like we haven’t won anything.  We don’t win anymore.  The old expression, “to the victor belong the spoils” -- you remember.  I always used to say, keep the oil.  I wasn’t a fan of Iraq.  I didn’t want to go into Iraq.  But I will tell you, when we were in, we got out wrong.  And I always said, in addition to that, keep the oil.  Now, I said it for economic reasons.  But if you think about it, Mike, if we kept the oil you probably wouldn’t have ISIS because that’s where they made their money in the first place.  So we should have kept the oil.  But okay.  (Laughter.)  Maybe you’ll have another chance.  But the fact is, should have kept the oil.

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump
« Reply #205 on: January 27, 2018, 02:50:20 PM »
Today's media misdirection message:


Six months ago, Trump did not fire Mueller.

But, he wanted to! 


OMG!  Impeach Trump now!

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You are being disingenuous and completely glossing over the issue behind all of that.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump
« Reply #206 on: January 27, 2018, 03:40:25 PM »
You are being disingenuous and completely glossing over the issue behind all of that.

There is no issue.

He didn't fire Mueller, even though it's well within his power to do so.

It's the very definition of a NOTHING BURGER.

Stop being a Liberal sheep.

You're falling for the MSM narrative for no other reason than it drowns out the noise from the wind between your ears.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

punaperson

Re: Trump
« Reply #207 on: January 27, 2018, 04:41:49 PM »
You are being disingenuous and completely glossing over the issue behind all of that.
What is "the issue behind all of that"?

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump
« Reply #208 on: January 27, 2018, 08:04:52 PM »
What is "the issue behind all of that"?

You don't see a problem if the president just keeps firing the person who is investigating things that involve him?

mrgaf

Re: Trump
« Reply #209 on: January 27, 2018, 09:01:14 PM »
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To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

punaperson

Re: Trump
« Reply #210 on: January 27, 2018, 09:53:34 PM »
You don't see a problem if the president just keeps firing the person who is investigating things that involve him?
You don't see a problem if the president keeps being investigated for things that don't involve him?

And don't tell my you don't know that Fusion GPS was paid by the DNC and the Clinton Campaign to produce that fake Christopher Steele dossier that was then then used by the FBI to obtain FISA orders to spy on the Trump Campaign and transition team and that all the "higher ups" at FBI knew all about and facilitated it... Okay, go ahead, tell me you don't know.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump
« Reply #211 on: January 28, 2018, 12:02:10 AM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Surf

Re: Trump
« Reply #212 on: January 28, 2018, 12:23:54 AM »
It seems that some people need to get a lot better at filtering out the noise from the signal and be able to gather or source more information in order to achieve accurate and actionable insight from the data.  In other words, don't just jump to conclusions from one or two sources that may be obviously slanted in one direction or the other, but come to an educated opinion without the personal, political, or news bias. 

So let's look at this......

President Trump and his administration all flat out deny that the President wanted to fire Mueller.  Fox News, Breitbart, et al agreed on this finding.  CNN, MSNBC, et al make the claims of Trump wanting to fire Mueller and his administration denied him.  So who do we believe?  Any rational person with a non-partisan view and a shred of intelligence should hopefully be able to at least come to the conclusion that:

- Mueller should never have been appointed as special counsel.  Huge improprieties and conflicts of interest automatically taint the perception of his ability to maintain an impartial investigation.   
- Mueller should have recused himself.  Absolutely 100% to maintain the integrity of a special counsel and the investigative process.
- Is the special counsel's team of investigators also impartial?  I am not sure if they could find a more biased group of people, even if they tried harder.
- It is ABSOLUTELY prudent for President Trump and his administration to discuss options for dismissing Mueller due to the obvious conflicts of interest which would seriously leave doubts about impartiality and fairness in an investigation of the special counsel and his team that he formed.  Any Presidential administration should be discussing all options, at all times, for all things.  This situation is not exclusive of that. 
- It would be more prudent to allow for a neutral party with no clear conflicts of interests to be appointed as a special counsel, let the investigation proceed and let the chips fall where they may. 
- President Trump and his administration ultimately decline to fire Mueller, which was their absolute right to do so.
- This appears to be a damned if you do situation for the Trump administration and the only reason not to dismiss Mueller, even though he should not be leading the investigation, is that it would seem like a cover-up.  This again smells of huge impropriety on behalf of the Special Counsel and his team. 

I don't give a shit about political views, but the other option is to ignore the above and just go with Trump is a raving lunatic and his people needed to put him in his place.   

Inspector

Re: Trump
« Reply #213 on: January 28, 2018, 05:31:54 AM »
I have been reading and watching the financial news before, during and after the World Economic Forum in Davos. Apparently, Trump was quite welcome and quite popular this year. Many European countries are now saying that since Trump has removed barriers (aka regulations) to doing business in the U.S. they are going to take the billions of dollars they were planning to invest in the EU and instead invest that money into the U.S. Plus the GOP tax bill was quite the talk at the forum with even more companies citing the lower corporate tax as their reason for taking their billions out of the EU and investing them into the U.S.

Even Macron from France is taking a page out of the Trumps' playbook and is running for reelection saying he plans to cut taxes and remove business regulations and make the middle class his focus this time around.

The main topic amongst the world leaders at this forum was as the U.S. economy goes, so goes the world economy. It is nice to see Trump restoring some respect for the U.S.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

macsak

Re: Trump
« Reply #214 on: January 28, 2018, 07:56:20 AM »
I have been reading and watching the financial news before, during and after the World Economic Forum in Davos. Apparently, Trump was quite welcome and quite popular this year. Many European countries are now saying that since Trump has removed barriers (aka regulations) to doing business in the U.S. they are going to take the billions of dollars they were planning to invest in the EU and instead invest that money into the U.S. Plus the GOP tax bill was quite the talk at the forum with even more companies citing the lower corporate tax as their reason for taking their billions out of the EU and investing them into the U.S.

Even Macron from France is taking a page out of the Trumps' playbook and is running for reelection saying he plans to cut taxes and remove business regulations and make the middle class his focus this time around.

The main topic amongst the world leaders at this forum was as the U.S. economy goes, so goes the world economy. It is nice to see Trump restoring some respect for the U.S.

yet all we hear is "racist, misogynist, fascist, Nazi!" from the public and celebrities and most of the MSM...

macsak

Re: Trump
« Reply #215 on: January 28, 2018, 08:00:08 AM »
It seems that some people need to get a lot better at filtering out the noise from the signal and be able to gather or source more information in order to achieve accurate and actionable insight from the data.  In other words, don't just jump to conclusions from one or two sources that may be obviously slanted in one direction or the other, but come to an educated opinion without the personal, political, or news bias. 

So let's look at this......

President Trump and his administration all flat out deny that the President wanted to fire Mueller.  Fox News, Breitbart, et al agreed on this finding.  CNN, MSNBC, et al make the claims of Trump wanting to fire Mueller and his administration denied him.  So who do we believe?  Any rational person with a non-partisan view and a shred of intelligence should hopefully be able to at least come to the conclusion that:

- Mueller should never have been appointed as special counsel.  Huge improprieties and conflicts of interest automatically taint the perception of his ability to maintain an impartial investigation.   
- Mueller should have recused himself.  Absolutely 100% to maintain the integrity of a special counsel and the investigative process.
- Is the special counsel's team of investigators also impartial?  I am not sure if they could find a more biased group of people, even if they tried harder.
- It is ABSOLUTELY prudent for President Trump and his administration to discuss options for dismissing Mueller due to the obvious conflicts of interest which would seriously leave doubts about impartiality and fairness in an investigation of the special counsel and his team that he formed.  Any Presidential administration should be discussing all options, at all times, for all things.  This situation is not exclusive of that. 
- It would be more prudent to allow for a neutral party with no clear conflicts of interests to be appointed as a special counsel, let the investigation proceed and let the chips fall where they may. 
- President Trump and his administration ultimately decline to fire Mueller, which was their absolute right to do so.
- This appears to be a damned if you do situation for the Trump administration and the only reason not to dismiss Mueller, even though he should not be leading the investigation, is that it would seem like a cover-up.  This again smells of huge impropriety on behalf of the Special Counsel and his team. 

I don't give a shit about political views, but the other option is to ignore the above and just go with Trump is a raving lunatic and his people needed to put him in his place.

#truth

Inspector

Re: Trump
« Reply #216 on: January 28, 2018, 03:07:14 PM »
yet all we hear is "racist, misogynist, fascist, Nazi!" from the public and celebrities and most of the MSM...
I also hear from the celebs and MSM how embarrassing he is as president. And how the other countries don't respect him,us and make fun of him. I think it is pretty telling when the reality is CEO's and heads of states from most of the EU wanted to shake his hand and talk to him. Not to mention get their photo with him. This is pretty telling IMHO.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump
« Reply #217 on: January 28, 2018, 09:20:09 PM »
You don't see a problem if the president keeps being investigated for things that don't involve him?

And don't tell my you don't know that Fusion GPS was paid by the DNC and the Clinton Campaign to produce that fake Christopher Steele dossier that was then then used by the FBI to obtain FISA orders to spy on the Trump Campaign and transition team and that all the "higher ups" at FBI knew all about and facilitated it... Okay, go ahead, tell me you don't know.

That is like saying the fire department shouldn't be called until you see flames.  :crazy:

When you start something like this you don't know where it is going to go or who is going to get lumped in. You investigate what you have and follow where it leads. All Trump's actions do is make him look dirty even if he isn't.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump
« Reply #218 on: January 28, 2018, 10:14:58 PM »
That is like saying the fire department shouldn't be called until you see flames.  :crazy:

When you start something like this you don't know where it is going to go or who is going to get lumped in. You investigate what you have and follow where it leads. All Trump's actions do is make him look dirty even if he isn't.

No, it does not.

It looks like the Tump haters couldn't get him for Russian collusion (since there wasn't any), so they are trying to get him for obstruction (which he hasn't done).

It only makes the Left look desperate and terrified of what Trump's DOJ is about to uncover on Obama's administration, the FBI and who knows whoever else.

After almost 3 years of looking, there's been zero evidence of Russian collusion.  Mueller's job is more than done.  Sessions should be allowed to get back to work.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

punaperson

Re: Trump
« Reply #219 on: January 29, 2018, 08:38:11 AM »
That is like saying the fire department shouldn't be called until you see flames.  :crazy:
Yeah, flames, smoke, something resembling a fire. What you're suggesting is calling the fire department because someone may have used the stove last week, or may use the stove again sometime in the future. Yeah, that's "fire", but not the kind of fire the fire department exists to deal with. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

When you start something like this you don't know where it is going to go or who is going to get lumped in. You investigate what you have and follow where it leads.
That's called "a fishing expedition". There is no real evidence of a crime (and that fake/fabricated Clinton-paid-for dossier is not real evidence, much less evidence of anything illegal, and since apparently the FBI knew it was fake from the beginning, they should never has used it to obtain FISA warrants nor anything else to "follow where it leads"), but using a team of heavily partisan hack FBI agents, etc. (who clearly intended to let Clinton off without any charges no matter how illegal her actual actions) you make up more "possible" infractions to be investigated until something you throw at the wall sticks. At this point it looks like all that is going to (possibly) stick is FBI/DOJ criminality against Trump.

All Trump's actions do is make him look dirty even if he isn't.
What specific "actions" are those?