Trump (Read 584943 times)

zippz

Re: Trump
« Reply #460 on: July 12, 2018, 09:04:05 AM »
You should see the stories I've read about shortcuts that were taken in the construction of much of those housing projects.

changemyoil66

Re: Trump
« Reply #461 on: July 12, 2018, 09:07:58 AM »
Gotta remember that Trumps moves are like chess.  So right now, we may not see a benefit, but down the road we will. 

macsak

Re: Trump
« Reply #462 on: July 12, 2018, 10:10:09 AM »
Gotta remember that Trumps moves are like chess.  So right now, we may not see a benefit, but down the road we will.

incorrect
trump's moves are because he is a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic nazi
haven't you been paying attention to CNN?

ren

Re: Trump
« Reply #463 on: July 12, 2018, 10:20:40 AM »
incorrect
trump's moves are because he is a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic nazi
haven't you been paying attention to CNN?

and he is dumb
haven't you been reading on 2ahawaii?
Deeds Not Words

Inspector

Re: Trump
« Reply #464 on: July 12, 2018, 10:30:02 AM »
You should see the stories I've read about shortcuts that were taken in the construction of much of those housing projects.  Whole buildings toppling over because of poor soil, piles not properly installed (likely because the contractor stopped them short as no one would know if he installed only say 50' of a 100' pile), and more.   Imagine if you had to inspect those projects. . .  :o
You know how I feel about inferior work. It sickens me. I was yelling at some people just yesterday over a small transformer pad footing. I can’t believe how inadequate some workers are these days. BTW I yelled because I asked 3 times nicely to do it correctly and they wouldn’t do it. So I stopped the concrete pour and threatened to write up a non conformance. Ridiculous that I had to go thru such actions over such a minor structure.

I don’t doubt any of the stories you have read. There are certain countries such as China and Mexico that pretend that inspections were performed when the inspectors are on the payroll of the contractor or corrupt government agency. Happens a lot in NYC BTW.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

drck1000

Re: Trump
« Reply #465 on: July 12, 2018, 10:44:15 AM »
You know how I feel about inferior work. It sickens me. I was yelling at some people just yesterday over a small transformer pad footing. I can’t believe how inadequate some workers are these days. BTW I yelled because I asked 3 times nicely to do it correctly and they wouldn’t do it. So I stopped the concrete pour and threatened to write up a non conformance. Ridiculous that I had to go thru such actions over such a minor structure.

I don’t doubt any of the stories you have read. There are certain countries such as China and Mexico that pretend that inspections were performed when the inspectors are on the payroll of the contractor or corrupt government agency. Happens a lot in NYC BTW.
When I worked private, the inspector was hired by the owner (or owner's rep).  I was often on that side.  Now, we have to deal with contractor quality control, which is usually a contractor company employee.  Even if the specs call for the contractor to hire a third party inspector/engineer, they are often threatened with a "remember who pays the bill".  Even when I was the engineer working for the contractor on design-build projects, we got some static for not being team players, but never been threatened.  I'm working on a project where one of the JV partners of the prime contractor is a Korean company.  They flat out threaten the special inspectors.  Even asking them to edit their reports so as to not document non-conforming work.  So damn shady.  They are bad too in that they'll be all nice to your face when you are on site in person, saying work will be performed properly.  Then they go and do opposite.  This project is do dysfunctional, we have members of the JV partners essentially tattling on the other.  It's a damn mess.

Inspector

Re: Trump
« Reply #466 on: July 12, 2018, 03:17:49 PM »
When I worked private, the inspector was hired by the owner (or owner's rep).  I was often on that side.  Now, we have to deal with contractor quality control, which is usually a contractor company employee.  Even if the specs call for the contractor to hire a third party inspector/engineer, they are often threatened with a "remember who pays the bill".  Even when I was the engineer working for the contractor on design-build projects, we got some static for not being team players, but never been threatened.  I'm working on a project where one of the JV partners of the prime contractor is a Korean company.  They flat out threaten the special inspectors.  Even asking them to edit their reports so as to not document non-conforming work.  So damn shady.  They are bad too in that they'll be all nice to your face when you are on site in person, saying work will be performed properly.  Then they go and do opposite.  This project is do dysfunctional, we have members of the JV partners essentially tattling on the other.  It's a damn mess.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/12/mexico-city-artz-pedregal-mall-collapse
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump
« Reply #467 on: July 12, 2018, 04:26:25 PM »
Gotta remember that Trumps moves are like chess.  So right now, we may not see a benefit, but down the road we will.

I would like to believe this, I really would but my faith in Trump's intricate plan skills are continually tested by all the stupid things he says and his lies.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump
« Reply #468 on: July 12, 2018, 04:34:44 PM »
I probably shouldn't. . . but why do you say that? 

There are many things that Trump approaches from a perspective that the public might not realize at first.  Much of this is about negotiation and negotiating position.  Like when he went in with a super tough line about NAFTA.  He puts sets out a "150% position" in an manner almost like dropping a bomb on the other side.  It sends them, and the MSM, scrambling.  Then once things start settling down, the 100% position starting looking pretty attractive. 

I'm not saying that all of Trumps decisions are right, prudent, smart, etc.  It's just that I do see a certain level of method to his madness.  Will they all work?  Maybe, maybe not.  But I believe he's truly trying to level things out such that America is not shouldering majority of burdens (NATO), nor being dumped on since previous administrations were willing to concede things for the sake of "getting along".

Because trade wars don't usually work and they can hurt other businesses as well.

Maybe there is some long term stategy where we will get something beneficial but I am skeptical.

I would be interested to see if there was another way. What if we just said all government purchases must be products made in the USA unless there were no local producers.  Help some American businesses and at the same time it would hurt China due to few imports from them. Sort of a side thought though.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump
« Reply #469 on: July 12, 2018, 04:56:14 PM »
Donald Trump is the president I didn’t want, but now I know we need

I admit that I was wrong about Trump. He's not a clown, and he is delivering on his promises.

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Over the years, my caricatures of Donald Trump have evolved but not as much as my opinion of him.

When Trump announced he was running for president, I admit that I didn't take this millionaire, hotel magnate, reality TV show
celebrity as a serious candidate. I doubted his ability to do the job. So I drew him as a clown. In fact, my cartoons were as
critical of him as many of my liberal cartoonist friends.

Then Trump started a war with the news media, tagging major news outlets as “fake news.” Ahem, I'm in the media.

And while Trump promised to pursue conservative policies, this conservative cartoonist doubted his sincerity. After all, it wasn’t
that long ago that he was on the left.

In the crowded primary field, Trump got the most attention by being the loudest. His tweets could not be ignored by the media
and resulted in Trump dominating news coverage.

I found his personal attacks sophomoric. I mean, calling his opponents "Low-energy Jeb," "Lyin’ Ted," "Little Marco," "Crazy Bernie"
and "Crooked Hillary" was not presidential. It was childish, but it worked. He won and they lost.

In this braggadocios “I’m the greatest” culture, Trump became the Muhammad Ali of politicians. His claims of, “I will be the greatest
jobs president that God ever created,” “I’m really rich,” “I’m very highly educated,” “I’m the best (fill in the blank)” stretched credulity
but was certainly entertaining.

In one of the debates, Trump admitted that he was an entertainer but said that he was more than an entertainer, that he was "a
businessman, and that's the kind of mindset this country needs to bring it back." Soon his rallies were filled with people who believed
that he was the real hope and change America needed.

In 1992, millionaire businessman Ross Perot said that the country needed to be run like a business. He was great at listing the
country’s problems, but he didn’t communicate how he would fix them.

Trump identified the problems and fixes. His political promises were simple, repeated often and easily remembered — build the
wall, repeal and replace Obamacare, cut taxes, destroy the Islamic State group, renegotiate better trade deals and make America
great again. 

So how in the world did Trump change my mind? He started keeping those promises.

First, he picked Mike Pence as his running mate. As I’ve written before, I’ve known Pence for over 20 years and he has the
conservative bona fides. So, of course, I supported this decision.

Then, after taking office, Trump began to reverse President Barack Obama's executive orders and burdensome regulations on
businesses. He approved the Keystone XL pipeline. He cut taxes and the economy picked up steam. Again, I supported these
decisions.

Sure, he failed to repeal Obamacare, but its individual mandate was repealed in the tax-cut bill.

As a Christian, I have been accused of hypocrisy and my faith has been questioned for not condemning Trump's past extramarital
affairs, his language and treatment of women. Look, I know he is a deeply flawed man. So am I. The Bible says we all are. But
evangelicals believe in grace and forgiveness and are commanded to pray for our leaders. So I support him in prayer.

Trump has proven to be pro-religious liberty, pro-life and pro-Israel. He moved the American embassy to Jerusalem, pulled out of
the Paris climate agreement and the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and began negotiations to denuclearize North Korea. I support all
of these policies.

There have been a few hiccups. Trump signed a budget bill that increased the national debt, which is now over $21 trillion. The
Russia probe is still a cloud over his administration, and I don't like trade wars.

But here’s the dominating reason I’ve changed my mind about Trump's ability to lead: judges. I support his picks of Justice Neil
Gorsuch, his new U.S. Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh and the host of conservative federal judges that Trump has gotten
confirmed.

I shudder to think of the activist judges that a President Hillary Clinton would have picked.

In my opinion, Trump has had the most successful 18 months as president than any other I've ever drawn. So yes, I support his
presidency.

I admit that I was wrong about Trump. He's not a clown. He's a businessman, entertainer, and now the president that I didn't want
but now think we need.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/nation-now/2018/07/11/how-went-donald-trump-critic-president-trump-supporter-column/774925002/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Trump
« Reply #470 on: July 12, 2018, 04:57:12 PM »
Because trade wars don't usually work and they can hurt other businesses as well.

Maybe there is some long term stategy where we will get something beneficial but I am skeptical.

I would be interested to see if there was another way. What if we just said all government purchases must be products made in the USA unless there were no local producers.  Help some American businesses and at the same time it would hurt China due to few imports from them. Sort of a side thought though.
I’m no big Trump fan. That said, how about you give things a chance instead of going off what CNN, MSNBC and the like are saying?

So the last trade war (as documented in the above sites) didn’t work out well. The world had changed since the 1930s. I am no economic expert, far from it. But the way I understand it, America takes it in the nose in many trade deals. So what are we supposed to do, keep taking it the nose and not try to change the tide?

And look up Buy America act. Like many things, it sounds good to the public, but in practice it doesn’t quite have the teeth many think it does.

macsak

Re: Trump
« Reply #471 on: July 12, 2018, 05:35:20 PM »
Donald Trump is the president I didn’t want, but now I know we need

I admit that I was wrong about Trump. He's not a clown, and he is delivering on his promises.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/nation-now/2018/07/11/how-went-donald-trump-critic-president-trump-supporter-column/774925002/

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump
« Reply #472 on: July 12, 2018, 07:51:09 PM »
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Works for me.  Just clicked on your quote of it, and it loaded fine.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Trump
« Reply #473 on: July 12, 2018, 08:00:14 PM »
link no work
Fake news!!! 😂😂😂
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

drck1000

Re: Trump
« Reply #474 on: July 12, 2018, 08:24:03 PM »
Donald Trump is the president I didn’t want, but now I know we need

I admit that I was wrong about Trump. He's not a clown, and he is delivering on his promises.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/nation-now/2018/07/11/how-went-donald-trump-critic-president-trump-supporter-column/774925002/
“Trump is delivering on his promises”

Just that gets a  :thumbsup:

Inspector

Re: Trump
« Reply #475 on: July 12, 2018, 08:38:20 PM »
I’m no big Trump fan. That said, how about you give things a chance instead of going off what CNN, MSNBC and the like are saying?

So the last trade war (as documented in the above sites) didn’t work out well. The world had changed since the 1930s. I am no economic expert, far from it. But the way I understand it, America takes it in the nose in many trade deals. So what are we supposed to do, keep taking it the nose and not try to change the tide?

And look up Buy America act. Like many things, it sounds good to the public, but in practice it doesn’t quite have the teeth many think it does.
The Buy America Act, I agree with on its mission, but found too many unintended consequences.

I agree with what you said here. Especially regarding giving things a chance. The last I heard after the latest $200B in tariffs against China took hold was not them doing the same back to us. But China is now whining like a little kid. Unfair. Waa waa waa. Wear a pink pussy hat you import to all the feminists who want a cheap one. So are they beginning to rethink their position? Don’t know yet. But their reaction is different this time. If we are in a trade war, they would react in kind right back. And they may still do so. But the fact that they didn’t this time and are whining, to me, makes me think they are going to have to reconsider their position. JMHO
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

drck1000

Re: Trump
« Reply #476 on: July 12, 2018, 08:49:26 PM »
The Buy America Act, I agree with on its mission, but found too many unintended consequences.

I agree with what you said here. Especially regarding giving things a chance. The last I heard after the latest $200B in tariffs against China took hold was not them doing the same back to us. But China is now whining like a little kid. Unfair. Waa waa waa. Wear a pink pussy hat you import to all the feminists who want a cheap one. So are they beginning to rethink their position? Don’t know yet. But their reaction is different this time. If we are in a trade war, they would react in kind right back. And they may still do so. But the fact that they didn’t this time and are whining, to me, makes me think they are going to have to reconsider their position. JMHO
I too agree with the intent of the Buy America Act, but in my line of work, I’ve seen so many get around it, sort of use it as an excuse and result in unintended consequences (like you said), and other technicality type issues.

macsak

Re: Trump
« Reply #477 on: July 12, 2018, 09:03:35 PM »
link no work

works now on a different computer
my apologies

drck1000

Re: Trump
« Reply #478 on: July 12, 2018, 09:15:11 PM »
works now on a different computer
my apologies
PEBKAC

macsak

Re: Trump
« Reply #479 on: July 12, 2018, 09:20:10 PM »