Those are valid concerns I have to admit but can you see how it fits in the whole Trump Russia conspiracy?

Only if your mind is clouded by a conspiracy theory that never happened, and even if it did, was not illegal.

You used the legal term "conspiracy", which has never been alleged -- there's no crime, hence no conspiracy to commit a crime.

"Collusion" is the term the left and media are using, because it's as close to a wrong-doing as they can assert.  There's no federal legal statute against collusion. 

Collusion is normally alleged when businesses make secret agreements to defraud others of their legal rights by gaining an unfair market advantage.  Claiming collusion between Trump and Russia isn't going to be a criminal charge on its own if ever proven.  It's a shoehorn to try and dig up actual charges by claiming they are looking for a non-crime.  One more reason the appointment of Mueller is not appropriate.  A special counsel investigates allegations of a crime.  No articulable crime existed when he was appointed.

Well worth a listen.  One man's impression on the State of the Union ... the Speech, and the Union itself.

https://www.facebook.com/Tatumbug34/videos/vb.100001811126441/1789745997762420/?type=2&theater

Trump was going to fire Mueller but some of his aids threatened to resign if he did.

Please provide links to the hard evidence, i.e. actual evidence (audio/video of the actual events, sworn affidavits, testimony under oath, or even an interview with someone who claims to have witnessed the events, etc.) rather than pure speculation based upon hearsay "leaks" by "anonymous sources", to the two above claims.

Come was fired in the middle of a speech in another part of the country and done over phone. Trump had every right to fire Comey but they was he did it was stupid on many levels. It was handled poorly, and even if Trump is completely innocent the way he went about it made him look guilty of something. Comey made a mistake as FBI director, sure we can agree on that but he has more credibility than Trump.

I agree that Comey's firing was handled poorly. But personally, I don't think it is an indicator of something nefarious. What I do think really made Trump look bad was the timing of the firing. He should have fired him when he took office like most presidents have done in the past. In that way it would have looked routine.

However, now that we have some hindsight here, I not only believe that Trump had a good reason to fire Comey, but now Comey has absolutely no credibility left after he got caught leaking information. He deserved to be fired for that and possibly prosecuted for leaking classified information. After a year of being in office I believe Trump has much more credibility than Comey just for that reason alone. If we had discussed this right after Comey's firing, I would have agreed mostly with what you said here. But I think the actions of both parties have changed their reputations immensely. JMHO

Agreed about Comey, especially after the Chavez interview.

What do you mean "will be losing"? That ship sailed a long time ago! 

Only if your mind is clouded by a conspiracy theory that never happened, and even if it did, was not illegal.

You used the legal term "conspiracy", which has never been alleged -- there's no crime, hence no conspiracy to commit a crime.

"Collusion" is the term the left and media are using, because it's as close to a wrong-doing as they can assert.  There's no federal legal statute against collusion. 

Collusion is normally alleged when businesses make secret agreements to defraud others of their legal rights by gaining an unfair market advantage.  Claiming collusion between Trump and Russia isn't going to be a criminal charge on its own if ever proven.  It's a shoehorn to try and dig up actual charges by claiming they are looking for a non-crime.  One more reason the appointment of Mueller is not appropriate.  A special counsel investigates allegations of a crime.  No articulable crime existed when he was appointed.

You are correct that there is no federal law called collusion but I think it is being used as a generic term by the public and media. Under Hawaii law "rape" is not a crime, it is called sex assault, but we know the concept they are referring to. It is perfectly fair to point out though just so everyone knows better.

There are hints at actual violations though and while technically not collusion there may still be enough to warrant investigation. There was obviously enough against Flynn and Manafort so there was something there to investigate right? Just because we, the public, doesn't know doesn't mean there wasn't enough reason to investigate. The investigation started because of the allegation from within the intelligence community that Russia had interfered. To me that is reason enough to start investigating and once you start investigating politicians there is no telling how many things are going to pop up.

Trump should just let Mueller do his job. He gains nothing by muddying the whole thing.

There was obviously enough against Flynn and Manafort so there was something there to investigate right?

Both those instances of "wrong doing" are in no way at all related to anything having to do with any kind of "Russian collusion" and the Trump campaign.

Plus I noticed that you haven't provided us with the sources yet for your earlier assertion. Please, let us see the evidence! We can handle it.

Trump was going to fire Mueller but some of his aids threatened to resign if he did.

Please provide links to the hard evidence, i.e. actual evidence (audio/video of the actual events, sworn affidavits, testimony under oath, or even an interview with someone who claims to have witnessed the events, etc.) rather than pure speculation based upon hearsay "leaks" by "anonymous sources", to the two above claims.

Latest employment and financial numbers for January and 2018 came out today:

200,000 jobs created with 180,000 jobs expected.
Unemployment rate stays at 4.1%.
Average hourly earnings up 0.3% for the month.
Average hourly rate up 2.9% for the last year.

And the biggest news of the day, the Atlanta Fed is projecting GDP growth of 5.4% for the first quarter. If we hit that it will be the largest GDP growth since the recession ended.

I agree that Comey's firing was handled poorly. But personally, I don't think it is an indicator of something nefarious. What I do think really made Trump look bad was the timing of the firing. He should have fired him when he took office like most presidents have done in the past. In that way it would have looked routine.

However, now that we have some hindsight here, I not only believe that Trump had a good reason to fire Comey, but now Comey has absolutely no credibility left after he got caught leaking information. He deserved to be fired for that and possibly prosecuted for leaking classified information. After a year of being in office I believe Trump has much more credibility than Comey just for that reason alone. If we had discussed this right after Comey's firing, I would have agreed mostly with what you said here. But I think the actions of both parties have changed their reputations immensely. JMHO

EEF, do you still feel that Comey has more credibility than Trump? It seems that now that the memo has been released, Comey could now be in big trouble.

Latest employment and financial numbers for January and 2018 came out today:

200,000 jobs created with 180,000 jobs expected.
Unemployment rate stays at 4.1%.
Average hourly earnings up 0.3% for the month.
Average hourly rate up 2.9% for the last year.

And the biggest news of the day, the Atlanta Fed is projecting GDP growth of 5.4% for the first quarter. If we hit that it will be the largest GDP growth since the recession ended.

I know someone here that owes me an apology if we have over 5% GDP growth.   

Economy in Q4 grew 2.4%.

So much for 4% growth. Didn't even come close in a single quarter. Not only that, but growth was due to an increase in consumer spending. But here's the thing, wages didn't keep up so the savings rate fell substantially. Basically people are buying more, but on credit cards.

And someone here thinks we're hitting 5% next year. Rofl. That's right up there with Mexico paying for the wall.

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EEF, do you still feel that Comey has more credibility than Trump? It seems that now that the memo has been released, Comey could now be in big trouble.

Comey is a Cop, so we should expect another Cop to believe him no matter what.   

Comey is a Cop, so we should expect another Cop to believe him no matter what.   

That is an assinine statement.

That is an assinine statement.

Perhaps change the wording to:

"so we should expect another Cop to  believe support him no matter what. "

Some recent much publicized  shootings have lent some credence to that possibility.  No, i do not mean the inner city feral thugs.

That is an assinine statement.

I was referring to an asinine member.

Students Hate Trump's SOTU Quotes ...

I know someone here that owes me an apology if we have over 5% GDP growth.   

I'll do more than apologize, I'll buy you a beer. I still don't think we come close for the year although I'll admit over 5% even for a quarter would be surprising.

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