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Inspector

Re: Trump
« Reply #760 on: September 01, 2018, 06:52:20 AM »
That is not the type of NDA Trump made whitehouse staff sign.
His NDA tried to prohibit workers from every saying anything disparaging about Trump or his family for the rest of their lives.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-cant-legally-make-new-staff-sign-ndasyet

These NDAs aren't about legitimate sensitive information. These NDAs aren't even government NDAs, they are private NDAs with Trump himself.

"You can’t govern publicly funded speech interactions with private agreements this way, in all likelihood; the enforcement mechanism would have to be governmental, and that would probably violate the First Amendment. Leaking classified material is already illegal, and President Trump can fire leakers of non-classified material, but NDAs between Trump himself and people like Omarosa would face serious difficulties. In McGehee v. Casey (DC Circuit, 1983), for example, the court said “The government has no legitimate interest in censoring unclassified materials.”"

https://peltthepundits.com/2018/08/trump-omarosa-signed-an-nda-but-is-it-binding
Here is your original question: “So does it bother anyone that Trump made Whitehouse staff sign non-disclosure agreements?”

Please tell me what these article you posted have anything to do with the NDA’s that the whitehouse staff signed? Did you even read the articles? Obviously not.

First of all, in the Daily Beast article, it was written on 2016 BEFORE Trump even became president. So no one knows what the NDA signed by Whitehouse staff even looks like. You predicate the proof for your question on an article with the assumption that the NDA signed by Whitehouse staff says exactly what an NDA from an old employee of Trump had written in it from 2016? You really jumped the shark with this one.

Second, the Whitehouse staff works for the government. Technically speaking Trump could not legally force anyone through an NDA to not say anything bad about him.

Third, the article from The Pundits basically says the same thing I just did. “So, we’ll have to see the scope of the Trump NDA’s.” We don’t know yet what the NDA that Omarosa signed says. If it says what everyone thinks it does, and it is with Trump himself and not the government, then you might have a point. But the article even admits that until we see the NDA, no one really knows! This includes you.

Sorry, I prefer to deal with truth, facts and provide clarity. If you want my opinion, then base it on a set of facts already known or ask the question and base it upon a predication. In other words, ask “Does it bother anyone that Trump have may have asked Whitehouse employees to sign an NDA that keeps them from speaking ill of Trump?” I don’t want to discuss what could be based on your fake question based on knowledge that you claim you know what the NDA that the whitehouse staff actually signed. And you use an articles that base their discussion on what “could be” rather than what really is to try and show your question has any validity? Your question asks if any one is bothered about what is in the NDA without even knowing what is in the NDA? When the facts come out about what is in the NDA and with whom the NDA is with, then you might have a point here. I’m done discussing this with you.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2018, 07:05:42 AM by Inspector »
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Inspector

Re: Trump
« Reply #761 on: September 01, 2018, 07:08:24 AM »
And on a lighter "note" ....   :popcorn:


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Inspector

Re: Trump
« Reply #762 on: September 01, 2018, 07:28:14 AM »
Why do you keep attacking people in this forum for not adhering to Conservative values?  Why do you call Trump "our guy" when we all know you can't stand him.  You might as well change your slogan to "Hawaii Resistance".

It's not blind allegiance, and that's not the first time you've made that accusation.

It's called "doing the job we hired him to do."  You are doing exactly what the Liberal/ANTIFA/Resistance/Socialist/Never-Trumper morons do all over the country.  You pick him apart for things that have nothing to do with the results he's gotten.  You ignore the successes, and you disparage his Tweets.

We didn't elect him because he's a politician.  We elected him because he's a successful businessman willing to try and fix real problems using real solutions.

The Presidents we've elected since Reagan have solved almost zero actual problems. We hear every single candidate promise to solve problems in education, unemployment, trade, military readiness, civil rights, immigration reform, tax reform, health care, etc, etc.  Trump is the first president I've seen since the 1980s to actually keep his promise and not create more problems in the process.

Keep screaming at the sky.  Trump's doing great.

This is the type of person you're aligning yourself with .... where the only real point they can think of is "F*CK TRUMP!"
I agree with most of what you said here Flap. I don’t think I have shown “Blind allegiance” to this president. I have been skeptical and critical of many things he has done so far. Some of those things are written in this thread. I know some here may sound like they have blind allegiance. But I have a feeling that there are plenty of things that the president has done so far that most here don’t like. They are just not big enough issues to them for them to spend their time complaining about. Because either they don’t care about those things or feel they are of such a minor nature that it is not worth spending ones time to complain.

I have been critical of some of Trump’s tweets and some of his “lies”. So far, none of the so called “lies” that I have seen are a big deal. If they were I would be spending my time complaining like I already have in this forum. I have a feeling that most of the members here feel the same way. Big deal, who cares? If we impeached every president that has lied to the people we would never have had a full term president. They all lie. Some lie more than others. Some lie only due to protecting the security of this country, some lie only to protect themselves, some lie only to protect others. I believe all of it depends on each circumstance. I don’t like to deal in “what ifs” unless that is what the topic is all about. I will not project my feelings of the presidents “lies” and think there is something wrong with him or he is ruining the country. Especially, when I don’t see any evidence of that nor do I care what he says/does in his personal life either. It’s none of my f*cking business. To try and get into the president’s head and try to project your own feelings into his words is really disingenuous IMHO.

I agree that as long as he is doing a great job (as he is) and he is not f*cking up, then it is easy for me to overlook the bad tweets and misstatements that he makes. They have not effected his performance in any way that I can see. So all is good. But if he does f*ck up, I’ll be here writing something about it.
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drck1000

Re: Trump
« Reply #763 on: September 01, 2018, 07:53:39 AM »
What bothers me about so many issues with Trump is the blind allegiance to Trump. Trump could literally murder someone in New York and a certain number would defend the choice without pause.

Why do conservative values get tossed out the window just because we got our guy in office?
And there’s no blind allegiance to Obama? The Son of Hawaii and beloved Punahou alum? Give me a break...
« Last Edit: September 01, 2018, 07:58:50 AM by drck1000 »

macsak

Re: Trump
« Reply #764 on: September 01, 2018, 08:02:28 AM »
And there’s no blind allegiance to Obama? The Son of Hawaii and beloved Punahou alum? Give me a break...

lol
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Trumper

Re: Trump
« Reply #765 on: September 01, 2018, 08:02:42 AM »
What bothers me about so many issues with Trump is the blind allegiance to Trump. Trump could literally murder someone in New York and a certain number would defend the choice without pause.

Why do conservative values get tossed out the window just because we got our guy in office?

what you have is blind hatred

robtmc

Re: Trump
« Reply #766 on: September 01, 2018, 03:05:55 PM »
Why do you keep attacking people in this forum for not adhering to Conservative values?  Why do you call Trump "our guy" when we all know you can't stand him.  You might as well change your slogan to "Hawaii Resistance".
Geez, no wonder I blocked the HPD troll, he is a flaming liberal after all.

I would wager he was all in for Øbozo and never doubted for a moment all the bullshiite make believe background stories the MSM was pushing.

So glad i do not pay Honolulu taxes and pay his salary.

changemyoil66

Re: Trump
« Reply #767 on: September 01, 2018, 04:26:36 PM »
And there’s no blind allegiance to Obama? The Son of Hawaii and beloved Punahou alum? Give me a break...
If u didnt support the pres (barry), ur a racist. If u support the pres now, ur a racist.

Good thing im asian. So booooyaaaaaashaakakaaa.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump
« Reply #768 on: September 01, 2018, 04:41:10 PM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump
« Reply #769 on: September 01, 2018, 04:55:27 PM »
If Trump keeps no other promises, he's at least keeping his promise to flip as many courts conservative as possible. 

That's the gift that keeps on giving long after he's out of office.

WINNING!!

Trump Flipped Two Federal Court Circuits from Liberal to Conservative
― And Looks Like More to Come


https://ijr.com/2018/08/1119500-trump-courts-appointments/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rklapp

Re: Trump
« Reply #770 on: September 03, 2018, 10:30:55 PM »
It looks like it's likely that the Dems will get control of the House this November with a small chance they'll get control of the Senate. If they do get the House, it will be none stop hearings and Congressional investigations. Literally, non-stop. However, the best chance that Trump has for his reelection is if the Dems go bat-ass crazy. If Pelosi goes off the deep end and becomes the self described Trump whipping girl, then he has a chance. If the Dems play it cool and continually investigate everything he's accused of, he's screwed. In the meantime, only a few good lawyers are willing to represent the President. Fun times...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/house/2018_elections_house_map.html
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump
« Reply #771 on: September 03, 2018, 10:36:39 PM »
Why do you keep attacking people in this forum for not adhering to Conservative values?  Why do you call Trump "our guy" when we all know you can't stand him.  You might as well change your slogan to "Hawaii Resistance".

It's not blind allegiance, and that's not the first time you've made that accusation.

It's called "doing the job we hired him to do."  You are doing exactly what the Liberal/ANTIFA/Resistance/Socialist/Never-Trumper morons do all over the country.  You pick him apart for things that have nothing to do with the results he's gotten.  You ignore the successes, and you disparage his Tweets.

We didn't elect him because he's a politician.  We elected him because he's a successful businessman willing to try and fix real problems using real solutions.

The Presidents we've elected since Reagan have solved almost zero actual problems. We hear every single candidate promise to solve problems in education, unemployment, trade, military readiness, civil rights, immigration reform, tax reform, health care, etc, etc.  Trump is the first president I've seen since the 1980s to actually keep his promise and not create more problems in the process.

I'm not attacking anyone here and I call trump our guy because he was the Republican candidate and I, along with almost everyone here on this forum seem to be Republican, or at least on the right side of the spectrum.

Trump has a few accomplishments, I have never refused to recognize them. But his achievements are rather overstated as well. I'm glad we got the tax cuts but at the same time the spending bill that went with it is going to significantly raise the national debt. I am glad he's picking conservative judges and talking to North Korea but he is.making bad decisions so many other places.

Yes I disparage his tweets because he says so many absolutely stupid things. Is the leader of this country it matters what he says, not only what he does. Obama was divisive and so is Trump. It is hard to maintain faith that he will succeed when he says so many dumb things that makes him look like he doesn't understand what he is talking about.

Trump hasn't even done a very good job at keeping his promises. I'm still waiting for him and Congress do something about national reciprocity for starters.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump
« Reply #772 on: September 03, 2018, 10:39:30 PM »
And there’s no blind allegiance to Obama? The Son of Hawaii and beloved Punahou alum? Give me a break...

Sure, there were lots of people who thought Obama could do no wrong. I think both sides of the political aisle have followers like that

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump
« Reply #773 on: September 03, 2018, 10:43:30 PM »
It looks like it's likely that the Dems will get control of the House this November with a small chance they'll get control of the Senate. If they do get the House, it will be none stop hearings and Congressional investigations. Literally, non-stop. However, the best chance that Trump has for his reelection is if the Dems go bat-ass crazy. If Pelosi goes off the deep end and becomes the self described Trump whipping girl, then he has a chance. If the Dems play it cool and continually investigate everything he's accused of, he's screwed. In the meantime, only a few good lawyers are willing to represent the President. Fun times...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/house/2018_elections_house_map.html

That worries me too. I'm afraid Trump might have done irreparable damage to the Republican Party. However I am a little bit disappointed in the Republican party as it is so maybe shake-up is exactly what we need in the Republican Party. To meet the one significant achievement I can point to of Trumps is the picking of judges. I just hope he gets some Nationwide reciprocity for concealed carry implemented before any potential Blue Wave.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2018, 08:14:05 PM by eyeeatingfish »

Inspector

Re: Trump
« Reply #774 on: September 04, 2018, 05:12:59 AM »
Has anyone else noticed that the people who are the most critical of President Trump, are more concerned with what he says rather than what he has accomplished and is currently doing?

Generally speaking, of course.
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punaperson

Re: Trump
« Reply #775 on: September 04, 2018, 06:58:16 AM »
It looks like it's likely that the Dems will get control of the House this November...
So is that the Clintonesque 99% chance or 95% chance (New York Times, September 8, 2016) or what? That link you provided has zero information about any methodology at all about how they came up with those "numbers".

macsak

Re: Trump
« Reply #776 on: September 04, 2018, 07:04:58 AM »
That worries me too. I'm afraid you might have done irreparable damage to the Republican Party.

???

Inspector

Re: Trump
« Reply #777 on: September 04, 2018, 07:27:25 AM »
It looks like it's likely that the Dems will get control of the House this November with a small chance they'll get control of the Senate. If they do get the House, it will be none stop hearings and Congressional investigations. Literally, non-stop. However, the best chance that Trump has for his reelection is if the Dems go bat-ass crazy. If Pelosi goes off the deep end and becomes the self described Trump whipping girl, then he has a chance. If the Dems play it cool and continually investigate everything he's accused of, he's screwed. In the meantime, only a few good lawyers are willing to represent the President. Fun times...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/house/2018_elections_house_map.html
I don’t like to speculate much with polls unless the polls are overwhelming in one direction or the other. However, Rasmussen seems to be more consistently correct and close than most other polling companies. So here is the most recent report based on polling numbers from late last month. Most of it deals with the senate but they do mention some information regarding the house near the end of the report. I’ll let everyone decide how they want to interpret the results of this report.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_kyle_kondik/senate_2018_republicans_still_have_plenty_of_targets

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drck1000

Re: Trump
« Reply #778 on: September 04, 2018, 07:53:03 AM »
Has anyone else noticed that the people who are the most critical of President Trump, are more concerned with what he says rather than what he has accomplished and is currently doing?

Generally speaking, of course.

Inspector

Re: Trump
« Reply #779 on: September 04, 2018, 07:55:34 AM »
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