1 could argue that since Trump is the POTUS, he is defending what the flag represents by bashing Kap, Nike, etc...

And let's all be honest, when Kap 1st didn't stand, he was doing nothing for the black community.  His first donation didn't come till 2 weeks later.  He didn't foresee what it would have grown into.

But still, I don't see Kap in Chicago or talking to PD like how Snoop does.  He's taking the easy way out, by throwing money and speaking at events that cops don't attend.  So he's not educating anyone.

I think Kaepernick is misguided but I think he has good intentions in his heart. There is much to criticize about what he is doing for the issue he is getting behind but I would think it shortsighted to believe he is only doing it for some selfish reasons. Maybe he thinks he is getting things done when he speaks at these events even though we may see otherwise.

Personally my suggestion to Kaepernick would be to join a police department. Maybe he will come around... maybe not.

Literally steal? That is literally not theft.

If you think he is just doing this for himself then I don't think you understand the issue. You can disagree with him just as I do but I am under no illusion that he is doing this for fame or popularity.

No one had to make it a news issue that he kneeled during the national anthem. It got more attention because of people's outrage than because he made a political statement. The media didn't have to give him any coverage, yet they gave it to him freely.

Trump is free to comment away and Kaepernick is free to protest but if Kaepernick should just shut up and play football then Trump should shut up and do president stuff.

Yes. Stealing.  He's not being paid to make political statements on air. The air time (which is very expensive) belongs to the NFL and their sponsors. They didn't choreograph the opening ceremonies to support a protest.  The images, the time, the ceremony -- it's all at the expense of the people paying for it.  The players are employees.

The NFL game is not a public service.  Can I run onto the field waving a flag, protesting the protestors, or would I get arrested?  If the NFL allows free coverage of a players' protest, why not mine?

How about someone other than a player who's on the staff, like the coaches?  Can ANYONE do anything they want during the opening ceremony just to get it broadcast?

The NFL rules say they can't.  They are supposed to stand and be respectful while facing the music.  So, the players are disobeying their employers and stealing air time.

As for the reason -- a multimillionaire QB with a lackluster performance record was looking at his options if he got cut -- a very likely possibility. So, he wore socks depicting Cops as pigs (another NFL infraction), and he grabbed attention by kneeling. His original intent was to sue the league for racism or whatever else as a means of keeping his job.  If they fired him, he could claim it was political and not about performance.

So, now he's without a team and suing the NFL for collusion, because no team wants a self-agrandizing drama queen.

Go figure.

And the Liberal media did have to give him all that attention -- because they are Trump-hating Liberals who saw a controversy they could politicize and capitalize on.   Bunch of opportunistic ambulance chasers.


"Do President stuff?"  Such a mature and objective characterization. 

The president has always been the moral leader of the nation. He sets the tone for what we value --what's right and what's wrong.

He is free to voice an opinion on any current event, just as you are.  Lord knows, Obama had no problem lecturing us all on "that's not who we are" every chance he got.

The president has always been the moral leader of the nation. He sets the tone for what we value --what's right and what's wrong.

You CANNOT be talking about "grab 'em by the pussy", hush payment to porn star, Trump as the moral leader of the nation.
And please don't deflect into the economy, his performance etc.....
Trump as our moral leader is some of the most hilarious (ludicrous ) crap I've read on this forum in a long time. 

Trump has points in his favor in his performance as POTUS.
But moral leader is not one of them.

You CANNOT be talking about "grab 'em by the pussy", hush payment to porn star, Trump as the moral leader of the nation.
And please don't deflect into the economy, his performance etc.....
Trump as our moral leader is the some of the most hilarious (ludicrous ) crap I've read on this forum in a long time. 

Trump has points in his favor in his performance as POTUS.
But moral leader is not one of them.

Actions before being elected are not relevant to his role after election.  Just like a teacher is supposed to set a good example for kids, but may have had a few stumbles before choosing to teach.

Nobody's perfect.


You obviously hate Trump, and you can't seem to separate the man from the position he was elected to.  Just because you may think he's not a good commander in chief, a good moral leader, or a good proponent for trade doesn't mean the JOB doesn't include those roles.

More signs the tide is (hopefully) turning.

A pretty liberal college friend living in Seattle noticed how the Gov of NC was on CNN to try to get the word out on the approaching hurricane and the CNN host was focused on trying to get the NC Gov to bad mouth Trump. This is a guy was is quite liberal, is pretty anti-gun despite admitting he knows next to nothing about them, but is reasonable enough to have a logical conversation as long as it doesn’t stray into irrational emotion. Anyways, for him to notice and give CNN “and F rating” for their BS is hopefully a sign of an awakening.

You obviously hate Trump, and you can't seem to separate the man from the position he was elected to.  Just because you may think he's not a good commander in chief, a good moral leader, or a good proponent for trade doesn't mean the JOB doesn't include those roles.

Personally, I think Trump is an interesting Commander-in-Chief, good for trade and the economy, and is for the most part doing his job and keeping his promises.

I think he's a terrible moral leader in how he has conducted himself in his past (payoff was during campaigning close to election) and setting an example it's OK to be rude and obnoxious to anyone who disagrees with him. (Can see how you think this is a good moral leader)
But I don't think moral leader is in the conversation for a President's performance. (See U.S. history)

He's crazy as a fox.
I think people are beginning to see that. Hence Drck's post above.

P.S. I voted for him.

Bragging on 9/11 about his building being the tallest, re-posting old pics for the love of god will someone take this idiots Twitter account  .

Bragging on 9/11 about his building being the tallest, re-posting old pics for the love of god will someone take this idiots Twitter account  .

It's arguable that he wasn't boasting, but rather making a point that his property may now be a target.

He made this comment 17 years ago, and it was already rehashed over and over 2 years ago during the election.

At least he didn't say an American Consulate in a Muslim country attacked on the anniversary of 9-11 was caused by an obscure YouTube video no one had heard of before that night in 2012.

I could care less how he talks to others. His job is to run the country and make it its best she can be. Which he is doing, despite the fake news and liberals.

If someone is looking for a role model, there are others to look at. Oprah, certain athletes, etc...

I wonder what his attitude would be like if the fake news/dems supported him instead of fighting him at every turn.

Obama was very good at speaking and manners, but what did he do for the USA?

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Did we forget he paid people to help the clean up efforts. 

Bragging on 9/11 about his building being the tallest, re-posting old pics for the love of god will someone take this idiots Twitter account  .

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Yes. Stealing.  He's not being paid to make political statements on air. The air time (which is very expensive) belongs to the NFL and their sponsors. They didn't choreograph the opening ceremonies to support a protest.  The images, the time, the ceremony -- it's all at the expense of the people paying for it.  The players are employees.

The NFL game is not a public service.  Can I run onto the field waving a flag, protesting the protestors, or would I get arrested?  If the NFL allows free coverage of a players' protest, why not mine?

How about someone other than a player who's on the staff, like the coaches?  Can ANYONE do anything they want during the opening ceremony just to get it broadcast?

The NFL rules say they can't.  They are supposed to stand and be respectful while facing the music.  So, the players are disobeying their employers and stealing air time.

As for the reason -- a multimillionaire QB with a lackluster performance record was looking at his options if he got cut -- a very likely possibility. So, he wore socks depicting Cops as pigs (another NFL infraction), and he grabbed attention by kneeling. His original intent was to sue the league for racism or whatever else as a means of keeping his job.  If they fired him, he could claim it was political and not about performance.

So, now he's without a team and suing the NFL for collusion, because no team wants a self-agrandizing drama queen.

Go figure.

And the Liberal media did have to give him all that attention -- because they are Trump-hating Liberals who saw a controversy they could politicize and capitalize on.   Bunch of opportunistic ambulance chasers.


"Do President stuff?"  Such a mature and objective characterization. 

The president has always been the moral leader of the nation. He sets the tone for what we value --what's right and what's wrong.

He is free to voice an opinion on any current event, just as you are.  Lord knows, Obama had no problem lecturing us all on "that's not who we are" every chance he got.

That would never meet the definition of theft under criminal law. Regardless the NFL didn't have to cover it, the media didn't have to cover it. He didn't hold up the game, he kneeled while the anthem played and the game continued on the same time frame. Nothing was lost, Kaepernick didn't stall the game, he didn't try to address the crowd on NFL time, he kneeled. Broken rules? Sure, but nothing was stolen.

Actions before being elected are not relevant to his role after election.

Now that is a joke. Go tell that to all the people who complained about Obama's pastor, his ties to the weather underground terrorist, his smoking weed, comments from rallies he spoke at, etc etc etc.

Don't tell me you have never criticized a elected democrat official for something they did prior to election.

I could care less how he talks to others. His job is to run the country and make it its best she can be. Which he is doing, despite the fake news and liberals.

If someone is looking for a role model, there are others to look at. Oprah, certain athletes, etc...

I wonder what his attitude would be like if the fake news/dems supported him instead of fighting him at every turn.

Obama was very good at speaking and manners, but what did he do for the USA?

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In the president's position talking matters. You think you gain trust from allies by lying all the time and flip flopping? You think you negotiate treaties with dictators by insulting them?

He is getting some things done but he is fighting himself the whole way. Half the stuff we don't even need fake news, we can read his twitter account.

Now that is a joke. Go tell that to all the people who complained about Obama's pastor, his ties to the weather underground terrorist, his smoking weed, comments from rallies he spoke at, etc etc etc.

Don't tell me you have never criticized a elected democrat official for something they did prior to election.

Nothing wrong with criticism when evaluating one candidate against another during their campaigns.

I'm talking about his role today -- as President. Part of the job is to lead the nation and set policies based on values.

Once Obama became President, his values shown through loud and clear.  Whether or not I agree with his vision to "fundamentally transform the nation", it was still his role to define what the nation's direction forward would be.

trump's now in that position of leadership.  Criticism notwithstanding, it's still his role.

Nothing wrong with criticism when evaluating one candidate against another during their campaigns.

I'm talking about his role today -- as President. Part of the job is to lead the nation and set policies based on values.

Once Obama became President, his values shown through loud and clear.  Whether or not I agree with his vision to "fundamentally transform the nation", it was still his role to define what the nation's direction forward would be.

trump's now in that position of leadership.  Criticism notwithstanding, it's still his role.

Yeah, I don't think a man like Trump becomes president and suddenly has some epiphany to become a morally clean man. I mean sure, miracles are possible, but many of his comments after he became president are still not worthy for the moral leader of this country.

Everyone is discussing morality of the president either before or during his term. I certainly could be wrong here, but I cannot remember a recent president (last 40-50 years) that didn’t have moral issues either before and/or during their term. They all have been caught in lies either before or during their terms. And some have had some sort of rumors of improprieties either before or during their terms.

I understand if one doesn’t care for the morality of this president. But I can’t remember a president that didn’t have a morality problem of one sort or another. Also, let’s face it, we do not know what is being said behind closed doors with our allies. What really matters is how we treat them behind the scenes. Apparently, that doesn’t seem to be a big problem at this point.

So my question is why is Trump being held to a higher level than all of our recent presidents based solely on his tweets? Why is this president any different than any other president we have had?

You think you negotiate treaties with dictators by insulting them?

It did work with NK.  No other president or European leader has accomplished what he has done.  Look at the illegal migrant problems that Europe is facing since they decided to have open borders. He insulted Merkel and others after they had that bright idea.

He doesn't just insult someone for no reason, seems to be only if they mess up.  He calls it as it is.

I think people are confusing morals with being a good speaker/mouth filter.  Obama invited Michael Browns family to the WH.  How is this having a moral high ground.  This shows that you can use your size to steal from a smaller person, then disregard an officers orders to get off the road and walk on the sidewalk.  And your parents will be invited to the WH.  Let's not forget about Treyvon Martins parents. 

Bill had an affair inside the WH, lied during his testimony.  But he was a good speaker.  Shall we mention Paula Jones. She got paid $850K to keep quiet.  So even if Trump did do anything with Stormi back before he was even thinking of running for president, only $130K was paid.  So he's a better negotiator than Bill.

Trump doesn't have a mouth filter when he speaks, but what actions has he done that shows he has bad morals while in the WH?  The media paints Justin Treudau as a saint and that everyone loves him.  At the G7 summit, everyone wanted to talk to Trump and Justin was basically ignored.  Why would all these leaders want to talk to and work with someone who has bad morals?

It did work with NK.  No other president or European leader has accomplished what he has done.  Look at the illegal migrant problems that Europe is facing since they decided to have open borders. He insulted Merkel and others after they had that bright idea.

He doesn't just insult someone for no reason, seems to be only if they mess up.  He calls it as it is.

I think people are confusing morals with being a good speaker/mouth filter.  Obama invited Michael Browns family to the WH.  How is this having a moral high ground.  This shows that you can use your size to steal from a smaller person, then disregard an officers orders to get off the road and walk on the sidewalk.  And your parents will be invited to the WH.  Let's not forget about Treyvon Martins parents. 

Bill had an affair inside the WH, lied during his testimony.  But he was a good speaker.  Shall we mention Paula Jones. She got paid $850K to keep quiet.  So even if Trump did do anything with Stormi back before he was even thinking of running for president, only $130K was paid.  So he's a better negotiator than Bill.

Trump doesn't have a mouth filter when he speaks, but what actions has he done that shows he has bad morals while in the WH?  The media paints Justin Treudau as a saint and that everyone loves him.  At the G7 summit, everyone wanted to talk to Trump and Justin was basically ignored.  Why would all these leaders want to talk to and work with someone who has bad morals?

Trump has gotten things done, but that doesn't mean his wild mouth shooting off insults gets the credit. Yes, other presidents have met with the leaders of unfriendly nations. Nixon famously met with Chinese leaders>

To be clear, I praised Trump for meeting with the North Koreans.

I think honesty is part of a good set of morals and Trump hasn't exactly been very honest. I think a good set of morals keeps you from insulting the people you hire. Sure, he wasn't caught cheating on his wife while he was president but do you think he suddenly became a devoted husband when he got elected.

Can an adulterer be a good president? Sure they can, but they can't be a moral beacon for the world.