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drck1000

Re: Trump
« Reply #960 on: October 25, 2018, 09:18:25 AM »

We talking about MSM or Trump.
Trump is propaganda King. (Or Jester depending on the side of the fence one is standing on.)

Hence discussion. :thumbsup:

What about this "migrant" caravan?
Both, any, all. Propaganda, spin, opinion added. All counts.

As to the caravan, a trip that should take like 6-8!weeks walking happening in about 2 weeks and perfect timing for election. Some say evidence of folks being transported on tractor trailers and stopping for photo ops. I dunno what’s really going on. But it is craziness and potential for blowing up, in many ways.

changemyoil66

Re: Trump
« Reply #961 on: October 25, 2018, 10:03:15 AM »
Both, any, all. Propaganda, spin, opinion added. All counts.

As to the caravan, a trip that should take like 6-8!weeks walking happening in about 2 weeks and perfect timing for election. Some say evidence of folks being transported on tractor trailers and stopping for photo ops. I dunno what’s really going on. But it is craziness and potential for blowing up, in many ways.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. #tinfoil

drck1000

Re: Trump
« Reply #962 on: October 25, 2018, 10:12:53 AM »
Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. #tinfoil
I don’t really have a theory. I save the tinfoil stuff to you. #buystockinreynolds

 ;D

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump
« Reply #963 on: October 25, 2018, 12:11:07 PM »
Anyone claiming refugee status has the opportunity, and legal duty, to claim they are seeking refuge in the FIRST nation they reach.

Mexico said almost all of the "refugees" are merely looking for work in the US and are not interested in seeking actual refuge in Mexico.

Their claims of seeking asylum from violence and so forth are negated by their push to enter the US and only the US.

An analogy would be breaking into a nice house claiming you're eluding a bunch of thugs chasing you when you just passed a police substation one block from that house.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Trump
« Reply #964 on: October 25, 2018, 01:53:32 PM »
I wonder if a bunch of people decided to hop the barrier at Disneyland, if they would let them stay in the park for free, or kick them out?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump
« Reply #965 on: October 25, 2018, 01:56:00 PM »
I wonder if a bunch of people decided to hop the barrier at Disneyland, if they would let them stay in the park for free, or kick them out?

That would be called "Employee Turnover," as Disney hires the new, less expensive workers and fires those who were making more.

They did that once before using legal immigrants, forcing IT staff to train their cheaper immigrant replacements before getting the boot.

It's a small, small world.   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rklapp

Re: Trump
« Reply #966 on: October 25, 2018, 04:20:22 PM »
I agree with Anthony. If Trump's strategy works and the GOP retains the House, then I'm all in. Get rid of all the liberal justices and replace with conservative judges. Destroy Obamacare and replace it with Trumpcare (whatever that is). Build the wall and in fact, keep building it along the California, Oregon, and Washington borders. If the Dems win the House, then I'm living under my bed for the next two years.

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changemyoil66

Re: Trump
« Reply #967 on: October 26, 2018, 09:16:49 AM »
I agree with Anthony. If Trump's strategy works and the GOP retains the House, then I'm all in. Get rid of all the liberal justices and replace with conservative judges. Destroy Obamacare and replace it with Trumpcare (whatever that is). Build the wall and in fact, keep building it along the California, Oregon, and Washington borders. If the Dems win the House, then I'm living under my bed for the next two years.



He's slowly filling circuit court seats and the media isn't smart enough to do a fake news story about it.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump
« Reply #968 on: October 26, 2018, 12:53:13 PM »
Pres. Trump's foreign policy succeeds again where predecessors failed.

North and South Korea disarmed the Security Zone in DMZ and made a major step toward peace.

 :thumbsup:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Trump
« Reply #969 on: October 27, 2018, 08:55:24 AM »
Interesting opinion piece

The Real Reason They Hate Trump
He’s the average American in exaggerated form—blunt, simple, willing to fight, mistrustful of intellectuals.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-real-reason-they-hate-trump-1540148467?fbclid=IwAR01FTmz93XxgiCV79r4qOx5XHVGAmBVyASNy78m2W1CEg8Sw0Pi9DbA_28

macsak

Re: Trump
« Reply #970 on: October 27, 2018, 09:43:50 AM »
Interesting opinion piece

The Real Reason They Hate Trump
He’s the average American in exaggerated form—blunt, simple, willing to fight, mistrustful of intellectuals.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-real-reason-they-hate-trump-1540148467?fbclid=IwAR01FTmz93XxgiCV79r4qOx5XHVGAmBVyASNy78m2W1CEg8Sw0Pi9DbA_28

I hate paywalls


The Real Reason They Hate Trump
He’s the average American in exaggerated form—blunt, simple, willing to fight, mistrustful of intellectuals.

By David Gelernter
Oct. 21, 2018 3:01 p.m. ET


President Donald Trump sits in the driver’s seat of a semi-truck in Washington, D.C., March 23, 2017


Every big U.S. election is interesting, but the coming midterms are fascinating for a reason most commentators forget to mention: The Democrats have no issues. The economy is booming and America’s international position is strong. In foreign affairs, the U.S. has remembered in the nick of time what Machiavelli advised princes five centuries ago: Don’t seek to be loved, seek to be feared.

The contrast with the Obama years must be painful for any honest leftist. For future generations, the Kavanaugh fight will stand as a marker of the Democratic Party’s intellectual bankruptcy, the flashing red light on the dashboard that says “Empty.” The left is beaten.

This has happened before, in the 1980s and ’90s and early 2000s, but then the financial crisis arrived to save liberalism from certain destruction. Today leftists pray that Robert Mueller will put on his Superman outfit and save them again.

For now, though, the left’s only issue is “We hate Trump.” This is an instructive hatred, because what the left hates about Donald Trump is precisely what it hates about America. The implications are important, and painful.

Not that every leftist hates America. But the leftists I know do hate Mr. Trump’s vulgarity, his unwillingness to walk away from a fight, his bluntness, his certainty that America is exceptional, his mistrust of intellectuals, his love of simple ideas that work, and his refusal to believe that men and women are interchangeable. Worst of all, he has no ideology except getting the job done. His goals are to do the task before him, not be pushed around, and otherwise to enjoy life. In short, he is a typical American—except exaggerated, because he has no constraints to cramp his style except the ones he himself invents.

Mr. Trump lacks constraints because he is filthy rich and always has been and, unlike other rich men, he revels in wealth and feels no need to apologize—ever. He never learned to keep his real opinions to himself because he never had to. He never learned to be embarrassed that he is male, with ordinary male proclivities. Sometimes he has treated women disgracefully, for which Americans, left and right, are ashamed of him—as they are of JFK and Bill Clinton.

But my job as a voter is to choose the candidate who will do best for America. I am sorry about the coarseness of the unconstrained average American that Mr. Trump conveys. That coarseness is unpresidential and makes us look bad to other nations. On the other hand, many of his opponents worry too much about what other people think. I would love the esteem of France, Germany and Japan. But I don’t find myself losing sleep over it.

The difference between citizens who hate Mr. Trump and those who can live with him—whether they love or merely tolerate him—comes down to their views of the typical American: the farmer, factory hand, auto mechanic, machinist, teamster, shop owner, clerk, software engineer, infantryman, truck driver, housewife. The leftist intellectuals I know say they dislike such people insofar as they tend to be conservative Republicans.

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama know their real sins. They know how appalling such people are, with their stupid guns and loathsome churches. They have no money or permanent grievances to make them interesting and no Twitter followers to speak of. They skip Davos every year and watch Fox News. Not even the very best has the dazzling brilliance of a Chuck Schumer, not to mention a Michelle Obama. In truth they are dumb as sheep.

Mr. Trump reminds us who the average American really is. Not the average male American, or the average white American. We know for sure that, come 2020, intellectuals will be dumbfounded at the number of women and blacks who will vote for Mr. Trump. He might be realigning the political map: plain average Americans of every type vs. fancy ones.

Many left-wing intellectuals are counting on technology to do away with the jobs that sustain all those old-fashioned truck-driver-type people, but they are laughably wide of the mark. It is impossible to transport food and clothing, or hug your wife or girl or child, or sit silently with your best friend, over the internet. Perhaps that’s obvious, but to be an intellectual means nothing is obvious. Mr. Trump is no genius, but if you have mastered the obvious and add common sense, you are nine-tenths of the way home. (Scholarship is fine, but the typical modern intellectual cheapens his learning with politics, and is proud to vary his teaching with broken-down left-wing junk.)

This all leads to an important question—one that will be dismissed indignantly today, but not by historians in the long run: Is it possible to hate Donald Trump but not the average American?

True, Mr. Trump is the unconstrained average citizen. Obviously you can hate some of his major characteristics—the infantile lack of self-control in his Twitter babble, his hitting back like a spiteful child bully—without hating the average American, who has no such tendencies. (Mr. Trump is improving in these two categories.) You might dislike the whole package. I wouldn’t choose him as a friend, nor would he choose me. But what I see on the left is often plain, unconditional hatred of which the hater—God forgive him—is proud. It’s discouraging, even disgusting. And it does mean, I believe, that the Trump-hater truly does hate the average American—male or female, black or white. Often he hates America, too.

Granted, Mr. Trump is a parody of the average American, not the thing itself. To turn away is fair. But to hate him from your heart is revealing. Many Americans were ashamed when Ronald Reagan was elected. A movie actor? But the new direction he chose for America was a big success on balance, and Reagan turned into a great president. Evidently this country was intended to be run by amateurs after all—by plain citizens, not only lawyers and bureaucrats.

Those who voted for Mr. Trump, and will vote for his candidates this November, worry about the nation, not its image. The president deserves our respect because Americans deserve it—not such fancy-pants extras as network commentators, socialist high-school teachers and eminent professors, but the basic human stuff that has made America great, and is making us greater all the time.

Mr. Gelernter is computer science professor at Yale and chief scientist at Dittach LLC. His most recent book is “Tides of Mind.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-rea...nqj0pHSAduRZac

drck1000

Re: Trump
« Reply #971 on: October 27, 2018, 09:57:48 AM »
I hate paywalls
Oops. When I opened link on FB, it came up free. I think already used up my free access as well.

Inspector

Re: Trump
« Reply #972 on: October 27, 2018, 11:11:34 AM »
Oops. When I opened link on FB, it came up free. I think already used up my free access as well.
Exactly why I don’t post WSJ articles.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I’m stupid enough to pay for a subscription. WSJ provides a very unbiased source of news. And when they do provide biased reporting they always put it in the opinion section. Which is where I expect it to be. Old fashioned journalism. Plus their financial analysis of certain sectors and companies and countries is outstanding.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Inspector

Re: Trump
« Reply #973 on: October 27, 2018, 11:18:23 AM »
This article is for those of you who wrongfully feel the AHCA is doing little for the American people.

Deroy Murdock: This may be the midterm elections' biggest secret

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/deroy-murdock-this-may-be-the-midterm-elections-biggest-secret

“While Obamacare has been neither repealed nor replaced, it is being superseded. As President Donald Trump said, “We will deliver relief to American workers, families, and small businesses, who right now are being crushed by Obamacare, by increasing freedom, choice, and opportunity for the American people.”

“The total number of Americans with health insurance rose from 292.3 million in 2016 to 294.6 million in 2017, the Census Bureau reports. Some of the following new reforms have helped 2.3 million more Americans enjoy medical coverage and alternatives under Republican leadership rather than Democrat mismanagement.”

“People who are terminally ill should not have to go from country to country to seek a cure,” Trump said. “I want to give them a chance right here at home.”

SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

macsak

Re: Trump
« Reply #974 on: October 27, 2018, 11:44:27 AM »
This article is for those of you who wrongfully feel the AHCA is doing little for the American people.

Deroy Murdock: This may be the midterm elections' biggest secret

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/deroy-murdock-this-may-be-the-midterm-elections-biggest-secret

“While Obamacare has been neither repealed nor replaced, it is being superseded. As President Donald Trump said, “We will deliver relief to American workers, families, and small businesses, who right now are being crushed by Obamacare, by increasing freedom, choice, and opportunity for the American people.”

“The total number of Americans with health insurance rose from 292.3 million in 2016 to 294.6 million in 2017, the Census Bureau reports. Some of the following new reforms have helped 2.3 million more Americans enjoy medical coverage and alternatives under Republican leadership rather than Democrat mismanagement.”

“People who are terminally ill should not have to go from country to country to seek a cure,” Trump said. “I want to give them a chance right here at home.”

but but but trump sucks and Obama is king!

Inspector

Re: Trump
« Reply #975 on: October 27, 2018, 12:07:42 PM »
but but but trump sucks and Obama is king!
That’s racist.  O0
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump
« Reply #976 on: October 27, 2018, 02:55:17 PM »
Looks like the DNC chair, Tom Perez, is attempting to manage expectations ahead of the midterm election.

For months, the "Blue Wave" has been the mantra for the Left.  Now, Perez says he never used that term "because it’s going to be a close one.  We always knew that this election was going to be close — I don’t use the term ‘blue wave,’ I always talk about the need for the blocking and tackling,” Perez said.

Funny how he hasn't been making the news station circuits saying that until about a week out from the election.  :rofl:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/412492-dnc-chair-i-dont-use-the-term-blue-wave

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

robtmc

Re: Trump
« Reply #977 on: October 27, 2018, 07:25:46 PM »
That rat faced b@stard has always looked like a child molestor to me.

Perfect fit for DNC head.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump
« Reply #978 on: October 28, 2018, 09:36:37 PM »
What you said here is not true at all. Trump said he would keep the preexisting condition through the AHCA. And that promise he has kept. He never once said he would keep the preexisting condition through the ACA. He also stated he would get rid of the ACA. How can he keep the preexisting condition in the ACA if it no longer exists?  :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: I think you need to just stop before you continue to embarrass yourself here. Obviously you don’t know what you are talking about.

If you look at Trump's record he isn't the most trustworthy guy out there so forgive me if I don't have full fait his AHCA will do that. Trump hasn't even gotten rid of the ACA, one of the main things he campaigned on.

And secondly, this is a complex issue. Try to remember that not everyone knows everything you do, some people are trying to get a handle on it through discussions and reading news stories.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2018, 09:53:14 PM by eyeeatingfish »

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump
« Reply #979 on: October 28, 2018, 09:41:00 PM »
Did you mean his tax cut didn’t have corresponding budget cuts?

From what I understand, yeas, the deficit increased recently. Analyst “experts” say that is because of tax cuts and spending increases. However, Many also say that that is expected as you need time for the economy and other factors to recalibrate. It takes time for the tax cuts to boost economy/spending. Like the discussion we had with trade wars, it’s not that simple. Yes, the tax cuts may have unintended consequences, but then need to adjust. I didn’t see you counter on the apparent success of decrease in unemployment and success of wage increases.

You call for the “other side” to take an unbiased look at things. Yet you seem to be stuck on bits and pieces of what you don’t like, but fail to see the big picture.

Yes, tax cuts should have corresponding budget/spending cuts. I do understand that there is potential for tax cuts to improve the economy which would theoretically lead to an increase in taxes collected but there are many factors at work there.

I don't dispute that unemployment has gone down under Trump, that is why I didn't say anything about it. I speak up when I see something inaccurate, i don't go around preaching to the choir about something a dozen others already point out that I agree with.