So dnc is saying he used money to pay hush payments illegal...

What about all the dnc settlements for sexual harqssment and clinton to paula jones 850k?

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Stormy got 250k. Shows trump is a better negotiator than clinton.

Paying someone out-of-pocket to keep quiet in order to help your election campaign is NOT a campaign expenditure, an it's not illegal.

Requiring someone to disclose hush-money to the FEC negates the primary reason for the payment.  Duh!

The Dems are trying to get Trump on any little technicality they can -- real or imagined.  They count on the mere accusation of wrongdoings to bog him down in his agenda as President and as a 2020 incumbent.

So dnc is saying he used money to pay hush payments illegal...

What about all the dnc settlements for sexual harqssment and clinton to paula jones 850k?

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Stormy got 250k. Shows trump is a better negotiator than clinton.

Stormy Daniels was ordered to pay Trump $293k in legal fees.  So I guess easy come, easy go. . .

Stormy Daniels was ordered to pay Trump $293k in legal fees.  So I guess easy come, easy go. . .

Too bad that money just goes to Trump's lawyers, but at least it makes him whole and slams her for even filing that lawsuit.

Trump still has the NDA she signed.  She owes him $1M per instance of breaking that agreement.

Can't wait to see how that ends.   

You guys think Trump will ever go under oath in all this ?

I think he’ll weasel his way out of it like most politicians do.  Thing is instead of deflecting every question or playing with the operation of the country OWN Up to your shit dude🤷🏽‍♀️

I think he’ll weasel his way out of it like most politicians do.  Thing is instead of deflecting every question or playing with the operation of the country OWN Up to your shit dude

What ur refering to is not like "most politicians".  The alleged affair happpened when he was a private citizen and not in any office.

So Trump made money...art of the deal.

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Cohen gets 3 years.

Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's former personal lawyer, slammed his old boss during his sentencing hearing on Wednesday, saying that Trump made him "cover up his dirty deeds."
Cohen made his case for leniency in front of a federal judge in Manhattan, accusing Trump of causing him to "follow a path of darkness rather than light," according to a Newsday reporter in the New York City courthouse.

"I have been living in a personal and mental incarceration ever since the day that I accepted the offer to work for a real estate mogul whose business acumen that I deeply admired," he said.

Speaking directly of Trump, Cohen said, "There is little to admire."

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/michael-cohen-emotional-courtroom-plea-leniency-said-trump-175503637--abc-news-topstories.html

There may be a shit storm a brewin' folks.
Makes for good drama at least.

Cohen getting in trouble for unrelated things.
Nothing illegal about hush money from 8 years ago
Mueller was looking for something and found it.
4D chess

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Cohen getting in trouble for unrelated things.
Nothing illegal about hush money from 8 years ago
Mueller was looking for something and found it.
4D chess

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The entire Mueller witch hunt process:

1. Dig into the records of everyone close to Trump's campaign
2. Find something they will try to lie about or down-play
3. Use their statements as leverage to get dirt on Trump

At some point, one of these people may lie about Trump just to help themselves. It happens all the time in criminal investigations.

Mueller is being sued for attempting to entrap a witness and force him to lie about Trump.

Soon we'll have a Special Counsel assigned to investigate the dirty tactics of Special Counsel Mueller.

The indictment is that Cohen used campaign funds to influence a political campaign without proper disclosure. Now we get into questions of did the President commit fraud in his campaign. The Founding Fathers were clear that fraud is a clear case for impeachment. I’m not saying whether it’s right or wrong. I’m saying that this is what Mueller and the JD are investigating with multiple indictments and now convictions.

And now for something completely different...

In retaliation for Dave/Inspector posting that absolutely (intentionally?) horrible "song" about Hirono on the Hirono thread, I'm posting this "I wanna be like the Donald" song (maybe for the second time?).

I want you all to get up and show me some of your funkiest moves! Do it! Do it Now! (Mueller and SDNY and Pelosi and Schumer and Kamala and Nadler and Ocasio-Cortez, etc., etc., etc. will all still be here when you settle back down... unfortunately.)

The indictment is that Cohen used campaign funds to influence a political campaign without proper disclosure. Now we get into questions of did the President commit fraud in his campaign. The Founding Fathers were clear that fraud is a clear case for impeachment. I’m not saying whether it’s right or wrong. I’m saying that this is what Mueller and the JD are investigating with multiple indictments and now convictions.

Even leftie Harvard's Law's Alan Dershowitz analyzes "no crime" (article also quotes a very experienced campaign lawyer and a former head of FEC both having the same analysis and conclusion: no crime):

 In Trump's case, Professor Alan Dershowitz points out, if he was using his own money to contribute to his own campaign, there is no crime:

Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz frustrated MSNBC's coverage of Donald Trump's payments to former Playmate Karen McDougal and porn star Stormy Daniels in 2016, repeatedly siding with Trump on the issue of the legality of a candidate paying "hush money to anyone he wants during a campaign."

"The president doesn't break the law if, as a candidate, he contributes to his own campaign," said Dershowitz (transcript via RCP).  "So if he gave $1 million to two women as hush money, there would be no crime.  If he directed his lawyer to do it, and he would compensate the lawyer, he's committed no crime." ...

[A] president is entitled to making such payments:

The president is entitled to pay hush money to anyone he wants during a campaign.  There are no restrictions on what a candidate can contribute to his own campaign.  So if, in fact, the president directed Cohen to do it as his lawyer and was going to compensate him for it, the president committed no crime.  If Cohen did it on his own then Cohen commits the crime."

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/12/reveal_the_congressional_hush_fund_hypocrites.html

Based on the John Edwards case, if Trump is ever called to answer charges of campaign finance violations, the prosecution would have to prove Stormy Daniels was planning on going public regarding the affair AT THE TIME THE MONEY WAS PAID.

In other words, to be accused of paying hush money for the purposes of assisting his campaign, there has to have been a risk of the negative news coming out had the money not been paid.

"I'm going to tell the NYT we had an affair."
"I'll pay you $130K not to, because it'll ruin me in the election."
"Okay, Mr. Future President."

In all the Cohen reports, I've yet to read that Stormy approached Trump first demanding hush money.  Trump had Cohen pay her preemptively.

Since she signed an NDA as required to receive payment, there is evidence (her signature) that she never intended to go public.  In fact, she denied the affair multiple times publicly prior to the payment.

Without evidence to the contrary, it's a private payment to avoid embarrassing information from being made public and to avoid marital problems -- not a campaign contribution.

https://blog.harvardlawreview.org/the-coming-storm-hush-money-and-the-federal-election-campaign-act/

In retaliation for Dave/Inspector posting that absolutely (intentionally?) horrible "song" about Hirono on the Hirono thread, I'm posting this "I wanna be like the Donald" song (maybe for the second time?).

You liked that did you? 

Believe it or not I actually listened to it twice. It’s REALLY REALLY BAD!!! 

Your song is much better than what I posted. But I think my song more accurately describes the person whom it was written about. Pathetic. 

Interesting article on no illegality.

"Donald Trump may cheat and pay off women, but that won't get him impeached"

USA TODAYDecember 12, 2018

https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-may-cheat-pay-092257738.html

Interesting article on no illegality.
https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-may-cheat-pay-092257738.html

I agree that Trump is safe from indictment. They'll still continue to investigate him. It's all bullshit. After Clinton survived his impeachment process in 1998, and the subsequent implosion of Gingrich's political career, the Dems are reticent to pursue their own impeachment hearings without the majority in both Congress. The House can still subpoena everything under the sun (including Trump's tax forms) and throw mud in every direction. Mueller will continue to manage the special prosecution grand juries and submit indictments. Basically, Trump is slowly bleeding from a thousands cuts... it may go on for years.


This doesn't pass the smell test.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/publisher-national-enquirer-admits-paying-hush-money-help-trump-ahead-n947111

At least this demorat is partially out of the closet on making clear that public funds and resources will be used to target Trump and his family searching for any infraction or crime they may have committed, even an inadvertent infraction of some minor regulation. Good to know. Our tax dollars at work. Note: I am not providing the photo of the new AG because that could be interpreted as, well, you know, one of those categories from Hillary's deplorables list.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/12/12/new-york-ag-announces-plans-to-weaponize-office-to-target-political-opposition/#more-157686

New York AG Announces Plans to Weaponize Office to Target Political Opposition….

Posted on December 12, 2018   by sundance

Did you get your yellow vest yet?  The recently elected New York Attorney General, Letitia James, makes a public declaration that she intends to fully weaponize her office to target the Trump family.

On the bright side, democrats can no longer claim their preferred approach of weaponizing their offices for direct targeting of their political opposition as a “right-wing conspiracy theory”; they are specifically outlining their intent to do exactly that.

New York – New York Attorney Gen.-elect Letitia James says she plans to launch sweeping investigations into President Donald Trump, his family and “anyone” in his circle who may have violated the law once she settles into her new job next month.

“We will use every area of the law to investigate President Trump and his business transactions and that of his family as well,” James, a Democrat, told NBC News in her first extensive interview since she was elected last month.

James outlined some of the probes she intends to pursue with regard to the president, his businesses and his family members.

[…] She’s also enlisting help from some prosecutorial heavy hitters, like former U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch, as a part of her transition to help her identify important hires for her office with an eye on bringing in experts for its Trump-related investigations.

New York is home to the president’s namesake business, the Trump Organization, and it is where Trump’s presidential campaign was headquartered and his reelection campaign as well. And it is where a number of key events under special counsel Robert Mueller’s microscope, such as the controversial June 2016 Trump Tower meeting, took place. All of that falls within James’ jurisdiction.  (read more)

And this: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/12/incoming_ny_state_ag_admits_her_plan_to_find_a_crime_by_trump_or_anyone_in_his_orbit.html

Former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy discusses Cohen plea, etc. Nine minute video interview with Lou Dobbs.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/12/andrew-mccarthy-blasts-judge-napolitanos-accusations-of-trump-campaign-violations-thats-not-what-happened-at-all-video/

Andrew McCarthy BLASTS Judge Napolitano’s Accusations of Trump Campaign Violations : “That’s Not What Happened at All!”

Former Assistant United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York and author Andrew McCarthy joined Lou Dobbs to discuss the latest charges against former Trump attorney Michael Cohen. Cohen was sentenced to three years on Wednesday for crimes discovered after federal prosecutors initiated an investigation on the former Trump ally.

McCarthy went off on Judge Andrew Napolitano for his misrepresentation of the law in attacking President Trump.

Andrew McCarthy: What I am saying is it remains to be seen whether this was actually a crime or not even if it happened in the way Cohen did. I was quite surprised just a few minutes ago watching Judge Napolitano on the program right before yours say a federal judge had “ruled” that this is a campaign finance violation. That’s not what happened at all. What happened was the Southern District charged what was very dubiously allegedly an in-kind campaign finance donation and Cohen elected, I think on strategic reasons, to plead guilty to that charge without challenging the underlying question which is a profound legal question about whether it actually is an in-kind contribution or not. The judge never ruled on that… What happened here is the judge accepted the guilty plea but that is not binding on President Trump. So if he was ever charged he would have the opportunity to argue that this is not a campaign contribution. Cohen’s concession on this point is not binding on the president in any way.

Remeber, the stormi thing happened well b4 he ran for pres. And trump never signed the nda, only stormi did. That was 1 of her sleeze ball attoenies defense to her being allowed to  publicly speaking about it.

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