17-year-old black Trump supporter foolishly challenges the media narrative that all Trump supporters are white supremacists (or at least white supremacist sympathizers).

https://twitter.com/i/status/1158509796032729090

How many on this forum are not 100% white and support Trump?  Damn Asian White Supremacist.

Thats not a solution for starters but it is also a false dichotomy. Its not one or the other.

If Trump or republicans play their cards right they might insert reciprocity into a bill with workable gun control ideas.

I would be for red flag with reciprocity.  The reason why is because we have red flag here already so we can only benefit from a combo law like that.  Then other states will get the money to challenge it and win.  Then Hawaii's red flag will be null and void.  But until then, we can all CCW.

I would be for red flag with reciprocity.  The reason why is because we have red flag here already so we can only benefit from a combo law like that.  Then other states will get the money to challenge it and win.  Then Hawaii's red flag will be null and void.  But until then, we can all CCW.

1. Such a law (including CCW reciprocity as part of any package of "commonsense gun safety regulations") will not only never pass Congress, I suspect it won't even ever be proposed.

2. If by some miracle such a law was proposed and passed, Hawaii would challenge it's implementation and would win in the Ninth Circuit. If it got to SCOTUS and got granted cert... half of us on this forum will be dead by then.

How many on this forum are not 100% white and support Trump?  Damn Asian White Supremacist.

I'm hapa haole, I've been called everything under the sun, by guess whom.....


only Democrats.


I've never encountered a racist conservative.  I am not super well traveled, been here and there, but that's been my experience.

Why don't you list for us the "workable gun control ideas"?

I will list a few briefly off the top of my head, can go into more detail later.

Red flag laws that contain proper due process protections
Laws that share information among agencies so we reduce instances where department A knew one thing and department B knew something else but the dots never got connected.
CCWs that have reciprocity
A better background check system that doesn't have so many holes

Remove Thomas, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, replace with Obama, Clinton and Harris.  LOL.

I will list a few briefly off the top of my head, can go into more detail later.

Red flag laws that contain proper due process protections
Laws that share information among agencies so we reduce instances where department A knew one thing and department B knew something else but the dots never got connected.
CCWs that have reciprocity
A better background check system that doesn't have so many holes

1) Red Flag Laws and due process is an oxymoron.  IDK how it would have due process?  Let's not forget if HPD takes your guns and ammo, you lose all the ammo and don't get it back and no monetary compensation either.

2) Info among agencies-Hard to do because DNC in some states don't even want their PD to communicate with ICE.  Hows HPD's RAPBACK and FBI partnership working out?  Last I heard, FBI had no idea HPD was doing this.

3) CCW- I agree

4) Background checks.  Unfortunately, NICS, not all counties report info to it.  Because last I checked in 2017, Alabama only had 4 people reported to it for the entire state.  Do we also implement a mental health check?  How would this be done nation wide?  Will every mental doc have to report all patience regardless if they know they own or plan on buying guns to a nation wide type system? 

I think there is no way of stopping someone with evil intentions. We take the gun away, they will just use another tool.  Homemade explosives, vehicles.  We have seen this over and over again in countries that took guns away.  But what we can do is remove soft targets.  If more people would carry, they it might give shooters a 2nd though to where they go.  How about a nation wide gun education and classes.  I'm sure many instructors will donate their time.  Maybe we need the "wild west" where everyone has a gun on their hip.  Almost like Israel where IDF people are around everywhere.  last I checked, their active shootings stopped stone cold.  Bombings on the other hand is another issue.

I will list a few briefly off the top of my head, can go into more detail later.

Red flag laws that contain proper due process protections
Laws that share information among agencies so we reduce instances where department A knew one thing and department B knew something else but the dots never got connected.
CCWs that have reciprocity
A better background check system that doesn't have so many holes

1.  Who pays for that?  Right now, the FBI only has funding for the NICS system.  States are not required to report into it, because funding is not provided.
2.  Even those reporting agencies that are mandated (military, federal LE, ...) aren't willing/able to keep up with the reporting.  Example: Air Force failed to report to FBI the mental state of the TX church shooter, and he was able to buy a gun.
3.  States that do try to report to NCIS are 6-12 months behind at any given moment.  That's a large window of opportunity to acquire a firearm.
4.  Background checks only include information from agencies IF the subject interacted with them.  If there was no arrest, no calls to authorities, no emails, no social media reporting, no mental health appointments, no drug or alcohol abuse treatment, etc., then the background check won't find anything.  When the DoD does a Top Secret security background check, they send field agents to talk to references, associates and relatives you list on your application. They then ask those contacts for additional names of people that know you to be interviewed.  Do you think that type of background check is appropriate for exercising a RIGHT?  Might only take one person saying something questionable in an interview to wrongly deny you the right to own a gun.  Secret clearances are based primarily on a National Agency Check (NAC) which only reviews agency records - no personal interviews with anyone other than the subject.

People who push for stricter background checks need to look into the last 20 mass shootings and all other gun-related violent crimes. Chances are, if they passed the NICS check, they'll pass any other background check you design.  Those who fell through the cracks did so mainly due to gov't failures to follow existing processes.  Creating more extensive systems and demanding more information won't fix the problem of gov't incompetence.

Assuming you can find 1,2 or even 3 people who passed the current background checks but would have been denied in a "better" system, at what cost?  Funding, resources, and privacy are real concerns in any background check system, as is the potential increase in false positives (incorrect denials) that prevent applicants in real danger from obtaining the means of defending themselves.

People are pissed that Trump went to El Paso but I bet you $5 that if he hadn't gone they would have said "look he doesn't care"

1) Red Flag Laws and due process is an oxymoron.  IDK how it would have due process?  Let's not forget if HPD takes your guns and ammo, you lose all the ammo and don't get it back and no monetary compensation either.

Not at all, the devil is in the details. Red flag is a concept and when someone puts it into a law they could write it in a way that provides adequate protection for due process rights or it could be written to completely ignore rights.

Last time I looked at Hawaii's red flag law, the department does not just keep all ammo and firearms. You have the chance to sell them through a dealer IIRC but if you don't want to sell them they have to keep them at least until the court order expires and then the person can get their firearms back.

2) Info among agencies-Hard to do because DNC in some states don't even want their PD to communicate with ICE.  Hows HPD's RAPBACK and FBI partnership working out?  Last I heard, FBI had no idea HPD was doing this.

As is my understanding the tapback system was created locally but never linked to the FBI database. But info sharing is a problem that plagues us in many areas, not just crazies with guns. We had successful terrorist attacks (in part) because of poor information sharing among agencies. Adequate information sharing is something we need to be working on regardless of firearms.

3) CCW- I agree

4) Background checks.  Unfortunately, NICS, not all counties report info to it.  Because last I checked in 2017, Alabama only had 4 people reported to it for the entire state.  Do we also implement a mental health check?  How would this be done nation wide?  Will every mental doc have to report all patience regardless if they know they own or plan on buying guns to a nation wide type system? 

I think there is no way of stopping someone with evil intentions. We take the gun away, they will just use another tool.  Homemade explosives, vehicles.  We have seen this over and over again in countries that took guns away.  But what we can do is remove soft targets.  If more people would carry, they it might give shooters a 2nd though to where they go.  How about a nation wide gun education and classes.  I'm sure many instructors will donate their time.  Maybe we need the "wild west" where everyone has a gun on their hip.  Almost like Israel where IDF people are around everywhere.  last I checked, their active shootings stopped stone cold.  Bombings on the other hand is another issue.

I have no believe that we will be able to stop everyone with bad intentions but not being able to be perfect doesn't mean we shouldn't try. But here is the way I see it for background checks, which in reality is related to information sharing, is that we have no excuse when all the necessary information was available to our government to prevent a tragedy and the government did nothing because it didn't talk. Say that CIA knew person X had attended a terrorist training camp, and ICE knew the person overstayed their visa, and the FBI knew he made radical statements online, and various other agencies each had a red flag on the person, but this information was never connected and the person bombed a building killing hundreds. Is it acceptable that the government had all the pieces of the puzzle but  nothing was done because agencies didn't communicate?

I do think we should have gun classes in schools. Get the NRA to teach it or police officers to come in at a young age and teach them some basic safety rules.

People are pissed that Trump went to El Paso but I bet you $5 that if he hadn't gone they would have said "look he doesn't care"

Poor Donald.  Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Poor Donald.  Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

"If the President came out tomorrow in favor of oxygen, Liberals would be holding their breath."

--Tim Pool

Residents and family members of those affected by both Ohio and TX are calling out their law makers for making Trumps visit political and why they didn't show up either (mayor/gov).

I forgot where it was, but after a shooting, Trump visited a hospital.  1 girl was interviewed and said "I was amazed at how down to earth he actually is.  The media paints him as this bad guy, but that's not the impression I got after meeting him".  The clip never aired again.  And the woman was black.

Residents and family members of those affected by both Ohio and TX are calling out their law makers for making Trumps visit political and why they didn't show up either (mayor/gov).

I forgot where it was, but after a shooting, Trump visited a hospital.  1 girl was interviewed and said "I was amazed at how down to earth he actually is.  The media paints him as this bad guy, but that's not the impression I got after meeting him".  The clip never aired again.  And the woman was black.

In other words, a race traitor.

A black face without a black voice!*

There is only one legitimate viewpoint!

* Rep. Ayanna Pressley's full quote: "If you’re not prepared to come to that table and represent that voice, don’t come, because we don't need any more brown faces that don't want to be a brown voice. We don’t need black faces that don't want to be a black voice. We don't need Muslims that don’t want to be a Muslim voice. We don’t need queers that don't want to be a queer voice."

In other words, a race traitor.

A black face without a black voice!*

There is only one legitimate viewpoint!

* Rep. Ayanna Pressley's full quote: "If you’re not prepared to come to that table and represent that voice, don’t come, because we don't need any more brown faces that don't want to be a brown voice. We don’t need black faces that don't want to be a black voice. We don't need Muslims that don’t want to be a Muslim voice. We don’t need queers that don't want to be a queer voice."

What do you call a female Uncle Tom?

What do you call a female Uncle Tom?

"Auntie LaKeisha"?

What do you call a female Uncle Tom?

Aunt Jemima?

Aunt Jemima?

Now I want pancakes. Or is it flapjacks from Flapp Jackson? 

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