Ballistic missile Alert (Read 139590 times)

macsak

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #140 on: January 14, 2018, 09:30:03 PM »
I find it fascinating that some posters are convoluting my basic premise/question.

i find it fascinating that you made a statement, and then turned it into a question...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #141 on: January 14, 2018, 09:31:55 PM »
i find it fascinating that you made a statement, and then turned it into a question...

I find it fascinating he thinks anything he posts is not convoluted.    :crazy:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rklapp

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #142 on: January 14, 2018, 09:34:50 PM »
It seems to me that it would be a lot easier to set off a nuclear bomb on a ship. Probably wouldn't be hard to find NK volunteers if they promise food for life to the relatives. It would be difficult to navigate an unknown ship into the Pearl Harbor channel but probably not difficult to navigate near the Ala Wai harbor. Do they have a radiation detector off the Honolulu coast? Could the NK ship hide the bomb from radiation detectors?

What would be the point of a nuclear strike on Honolulu? It's not like they could occupy the island. Meanwhile, we've turned the northern peninsula into a radioactive wasteland and China couldn't say a thing about it.

When the alert arrived, I didn't panic because it didn't make any sense. There's no way they could accurately hit the island with any precision. Maybe someday, not now. The sirens didn't sound and they didn't interrupt the basketball game on TV except for the alert message above. At some time, NK will have to prove they can launch a missile with a payload that can survive reentry and explode within 20 miles of their target. At what point will the President say "China fuck you... we're blowing up your friends."?
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Kuleana

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #143 on: January 14, 2018, 09:35:03 PM »
I find it fascinating he thinks anything he posts is not convoluted.    :crazy:

No answers to my basic question.

Only personal attacks, twisting what I said, or everything is top secret classified.

Kuleana

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #144 on: January 14, 2018, 09:39:58 PM »
What would be the point of a nuclear strike on Honolulu? It's not like they could occupy the island. Meanwhile, we've turned the northern peninsula into a radioactive wasteland and China couldn't say a thing about it.

I agree, it is not the DPRK that would have the capability to launch nuclear missiles accurately to Hawaii, but a nuclear armed peer.  However, if the US tries to nuke the DPRK, it will be WWIII for sure.

macsak

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #145 on: January 14, 2018, 09:48:09 PM »
However, if the US tries to nuke the DPRK, it will be WWIII for sure.

what makes you so sure?

drck1000

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #146 on: January 14, 2018, 09:48:25 PM »
The OP, Surf, stated that Hawaii would be a prime target even if it did not have a military presence.

Yes, the terrorism boogieman is everywhere, we must all hide under our beds for fear of the cyber-hacked nuclear or suitcase nuclear bomb.  In all seriousness, outside of terrorism extremists, I find it hard to see any nuclear armed nation target a location that posseses no strategic military presence.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I don't see or have heard of other island locations like American Samoa or Puerto Rico put on some nation's nuclear hit list.

Terrorism boogieman? You mock those concerns while you irrationally keep preaching about nuclear targeting.

A few here seem to have, or had, been involved in threat analysis for Hawaii as well as beyond. Understandably, those who have can’t share much of that information. I will say that NK is a very real threat and has been on the radar for a while, well before Trump. Terrorism is also a very real threat.  No, nothing to the level of me losing sleep over it.

ren

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #147 on: January 14, 2018, 09:48:42 PM »
Kuleana made an argument that IF Hawaii had no military presence then Hawaii would not be a target.
So again. I ask for your sources that support your statement. Which countries target or don't target Hawaii at this time? What are their criteria for targeting?
What is the credibility of your sources?

It appears that your obvious distaste of the US military has skewed your argument.
Deeds Not Words

drck1000

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #148 on: January 14, 2018, 09:50:25 PM »

That is right; I do not see those islands on-par with threat of nuclear destruction as Hawaii, due to the fact Hawaii does have a strong US military presence here, where American Samoa or Puerto Rico does not.  That is why I am asking whether anyone has evidence to show that locations that do not have a strong US military presence live in the same amount of fear of nuclear destruction as Hawaii.

I find it fascinating that some posters are convoluting my basic premise/question.

You assume you have knowledge of every location where the US has a “strong military” presence. You’d be surprised. I was surprised at some of the places I get to work on and I work in facilities. Not the fancy classified stuff.

drck1000

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #149 on: January 14, 2018, 09:50:43 PM »
i find it fascinating that you made a statement, and then turned it into a question...
Irrational folks often do that.

ren

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #150 on: January 14, 2018, 09:53:36 PM »
I agree, it is not the DPRK that would have the capability to launch nuclear missiles accurately to Hawaii, but a nuclear armed peer.  However, if the US tries to nuke the DPRK, it will be WWIII for sure.

What other nations will enter into WWIII if the DPRK were to be attacked by the US? A lot of people would like to know if you are correct.
Deeds Not Words

rpoL98

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #151 on: January 14, 2018, 09:54:48 PM »
« Last Edit: January 14, 2018, 10:06:03 PM by rpoL98 »

ren

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #152 on: January 14, 2018, 09:58:16 PM »
No answers to my basic question.

Only personal attacks, twisting what I said, or everything is top secret classified.


I did not attack you personally. I attacked your argument, as it is conjecture
top secret classified? :rofl:
No worries...I was a space shuttle door gunner once when NASA carried uber, unobtanium, tops secret clearance payload into orbit
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macsak

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #153 on: January 14, 2018, 10:00:18 PM »
there, I started a separate post.

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=30027.new#new

now you have to make a WWIII thread too...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #154 on: January 14, 2018, 10:08:29 PM »
See what one guy in a hurry to get home after shift change did to this forum?   :wtf:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Bunker

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #155 on: January 14, 2018, 10:14:01 PM »
Really a moot point being debated as to the hypothetical "what ifs" whether the military was here or not because Hawaii will always have a strong military presence (presumably), not to mention the Commander USPACOM physically resides here, with COG over the Pacific AOR, plus PACFLT, USARPAC, PACAF (to include the JFACC) physically reside here as well. Hawaii will always be a top-tier target of our "capable" enemies, both strategically and tactically, whether conventional or unconventional weapons are being considered.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #156 on: January 14, 2018, 10:30:26 PM »
Really a moot point being debated as to the hypothetical "what ifs" whether the military was here or not because Hawaii will always have a strong military presence (presumably), not to mention the Commander USPACOM physically resides here, with COG over the Pacific AOR, plus PACFLT, USARPAC, PACAF (to include the JFACC) physically reside here as well. Hawaii will always be a top-tier target of our "capable" enemies, both strategically and tactically, whether conventional or unconventional weapons are being considered.

Don't forget the Navy Shipyard, NCTAMS (SATCOM), SUBPAC, MARFORPAC, ... The entire theater during peacetime is commanded and supported by Hawaii-based HQs.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #157 on: January 14, 2018, 10:44:11 PM »
Kuleana made an argument that IF Hawaii had no military presence then Hawaii would not be a target.
So again. I ask for your sources that support your statement. Which countries target or don't target Hawaii at this time? What are their criteria for targeting?
What is the credibility of your sources?

It appears that your obvious distaste of the US military has skewed your argument.

It is not a distaste of the US military, it is the distaste of the presence of the US military in Hawaii that puts every person at a even greater risk of nuclear destruction.  Did your read the numerous accounts of panic and anger in today's Sunday paper?  Was yesterday's events not an eye opener to this reality?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #158 on: January 14, 2018, 10:48:49 PM »
It is not a distaste of the US military, it is the distaste of the presence of the US military in Hawaii that puts every person at a even greater risk of nuclear destruction.  Did your read the numerous accounts of panic and anger in today's Sunday paper?  Was yesterday's events not an eye opener to this reality?

No.  No it was not.  Some of us are wide awake without needing a reality check.

I haven't read the Hawaii Pravda in decades.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #159 on: January 14, 2018, 10:49:10 PM »
Really a moot point being debated as to the hypothetical "what ifs" whether the military was here or not because Hawaii will always have a strong military presence (presumably), not to mention the Commander USPACOM physically resides here, with COG over the Pacific AOR, plus PACFLT, USARPAC, PACAF (to include the JFACC) physically reside here as well. Hawaii will always be a top-tier target of our "capable" enemies, both strategically and tactically, whether conventional or unconventional weapons are being considered.

My point exactly.

Like I said, Hawaii is and always will be a primary nuclear target due to the strong military footprint, nothing trivial about that, unlike the examples I listed, American Samoa and Puerto Rico, which maybe are secondary targets due to the lack of US military presence.

That is all I am saying.