You have to show proof that horse is dead. Otherwise you are encouraging animal cruelty. 

You have to show proof that horse is dead. Otherwise you are encouraging animal cruelty. 

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exactly

stupid horse

RE: the button

It's pretty easy to send out public alerts. A lot of agencies have the capability. Police, weather, hurricane, tsunami, etc etc.
It would be erroneous to think that only that one guy in HEMA is responsible for public alerts.

With that many people having the capability to push the button, it's easy to understand that human error can happen.
In fact it has happened before. Not that long ago.
In recent years, CD sirens were triggered by malfunction. Some sirens din't even work.
The state just installed brand new sirens across the street from my house last week.

Now having said that, let's think about what the politicians and the general public is screaming for.
Do we really want or need to have more safeguards in place?
In a dire emergency such as a missile launch, or offshore earthquake/tsunami, or Amber Alert, or tornado, seconds do matter.
Additional safety authentication procedures can only slow down the delivery process.

As it is with many things in life, there is always a balance between speed and accuracy. This is a lesson that IPSC shooters learn very early.
A combat shooter can score all A zone hits but it takes too long....you lose
A combat shooter can blaze away at 100 MPH and get poor hits....you lose again
A pocket knife can be honed to a razor edge, but a little error will slice you...you lose

There is no perfect system that works 100% flawlessly. It's always going to be a balance of speed and accuracy.

Easy enough to solve the dead  horse sophistry:

Kauai, Oahu, Maui, Big Island

Pick the one least likely to get nuked and give your reasons why.

My coworkers are pretty unprepared for any disasters so I shared this information with them.  You guys might find it useful as well. 

On the big island, Hilo Surplus store carries #10 cans of mountain house freeze dried food.  These cans last 30 years if unopened. They are so expensive to ship here. 
http://hilosurplusstore.com/

Chem-Tainer in Hilo has large (up to 4000 gallons) water storage tanks
http://www.chemtainerofhawaii.com/category.aspx?cid=2

They have since reinforced and heavily fortified Guam.

So much that the island may tip over.   

Folks from many Asian countries are taking the spoken threats to Guam seriously. The “shopping tourism” thing is was down, or was when I was there in December. I found somewhat amusing that tourists numbers from South Korea actually went up. I guess with the lower numbers from Japan and China, the pricing went down. They interviewed folks from South Korea and they said basically “so what”. They’ve lived with the almost constant threats from NK so they are relatively numb to it now.

So much that the island may tip over.   

I contend that Southern California is sinking because of the added weight of all that silicone down there. 

so now the state is trying to pin the blame on the feds, that they needed to get their approval before sending out the correction false alert message, and saying that it's the feds fault because they couldn't get ahold of anybody on saturday?

that is so weak lame assed.  KHON2 called them out on that.

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so now the state is trying to pin the blame on the feds, that they needed to get their approval before sending out the correction false alert message, and saying that it's the feds fault because they couldn't get ahold of anybody on saturday?

that is so weak lame assed.  KHON2 called them out on that.

Vern Miyagi should resign.  After all, he himself said he's responsible.  If so, then man up and take the hit.  Ige should not need to ask for his resignation, it should be on the governors desk first thing in the morning.  Gee whiz, he's over there consoling the 10-yr employee who screwed up, telling him to hang in there.  Wrong message.  So wrong.  Doing a Group Hug and singing Kumbaya aren't the right remedies.

instead, he's doing the double dipping, retired state guard, then state civil service, to double up on the pensions.  not bad, until you screw up, then it's time to get off the gravy train.

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Trust me when I say Vern should absolutely not resign. He is a friend and fellow gun club member.
If the sh-t ever really hits the fan, that's the guy you want in charge.

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Trust me when I say Vern should absolutely not resign. He is a friend and fellow gun club member.
If the sh-t ever really hits the fan, that's the guy you want in charge.

okay Old Fart, I'll take your word for that.  edited.

RE: the button

It's pretty easy to send out public alerts. A lot of agencies have the capability. Police, weather, hurricane, tsunami, etc etc.
It would be erroneous to think that only that one guy in HEMA is responsible for public alerts.

With that many people having the capability to push the button, it's easy to understand that human error can happen.
In fact it has happened before. Not that long ago.
In recent years, CD sirens were triggered by malfunction. Some sirens din't even work.
The state just installed brand new sirens across the street from my house last week.

Now having said that, let's think about what the politicians and the general public is screaming for.
Do we really want or need to have more safeguards in place?
In a dire emergency such as a missile launch, or offshore earthquake/tsunami, or Amber Alert, or tornado, seconds do matter.
Additional safety authentication procedures can only slow down the delivery process.

As it is with many things in life, there is always a balance between speed and accuracy. This is a lesson that IPSC shooters learn very early.
A combat shooter can score all A zone hits but it takes too long....you lose
A combat shooter can blaze away at 100 MPH and get poor hits....you lose again
A pocket knife can be honed to a razor edge, but a little error will slice you...you lose

There is no perfect system that works 100% flawlessly. It's always going to be a balance of speed and accuracy.

Damn it.

I wanted to put bars over all of my windows. In the event of a fire, I may not be able to escape. I lose.

I wanted to put more deadbolts on my doors. The kind that need the key on both sides to lock and unlock. If I lose my keys, I lose.

Those are more safeguards.

Losing sucks!



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Damn it.

I wanted to put bars over all of my windows. In the event of a fire, I may not be able to escape. I lose.

I wanted to put more deadbolts on my doors. The kind that need the key on both sides to lock and unlock. If I lose my keys, I lose.

Those are more safeguards.

Losing sucks!



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The classic example of excess safety is a home defense firearm.
You need it to be safe from tampering but available in seconds.
I think we can all understand that concept.

okay Old Fart, I'll take your word for that.  edited.

I'll put my trust in O.F.
Straight up.

I'll put my trust in O.F.
Straight up.

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Thanks for the vote of confidence.
Over the years I came to know many knowledgeable firearms aficionados who hold positions of authority.
Guys who know me know that I have been sending out public emergency tests for decades.
By necessity, it is a fast and fairly easy process.

The guy that pushed the button got an appropriate disciplinary action.

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Trust me when I say Vern should absolutely not resign. He is a friend and fellow gun club member.
If the sh-t ever really hits the fan, that's the guy you want in charge.

Sounds like a vote for the "good old boys club". No thanks.

I'm with FCC chairman Ajit Pai and Jason Chaffetz, et al., who state the obvious: any system design and implementation that would allow a single person acting alone to make such a message public without any checks and verification by other parties, and then take 38 minutes to rescind the "human error" it is a fatally flawed system, and the designers and bureaucrats who oversaw the design, development, implementation and subsequent failure of the system are responsible and should be held accountable. In my book "responsible" means removing ("firing", not "transferred to another position") the people who were incapable of seeing an obvious flaw, which would clearly include Mr. Miyagi. Fire his ass and rescind his double dipping pensions. As a start. Okay, now who's responsible for the government-spewed lie that Hawaii had to get approval from FEMA before they could issue the retraction and that's why it took 38 minutes?

Edited to add these links:

FEMA: Ige, Miyagi Wrong About 38 Minute Delay [Possible subtitle: Ignorant or Liars?]

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/20931/FEMA-Ige-Miyagi-Wrong-About-38-Minute-Delay.aspx

In Hawaii, No Heads Roll over False Missile Alarm
It’s time we demand more accountability from the people who have such influence over our daily lives.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455431/hawaii-missile-false-alarm-no-consequences-bureaucrats

Sounds like a vote for the "good old boys club". No thanks.

I'm with FCC chairman Ajit Pai and Jason Chaffetz, et al., who state the obvious: any system design and implementation that would allow a single person acting alone to make such a message public without any checks and verification by other parties, and then take 38 minutes to rescind the "human error" it is a fatally flawed system, and the designers and bureaucrats who oversaw the design, development, implementation and subsequent failure of the system are responsible and should be held accountable. In my book "responsible" means removing ("firing", not "transferred to another position") the people who were incapable of seeing an obvious flaw, which would clearly include Mr. Miyagi. Fire his ass and rescind his double dipping pensions. As a start. Okay, now who's responsible for the government-spewed lie that Hawaii had to get approval from FEMA before they could issue the retraction and that's why it took 38 minutes?

Edited to add these links:

FEMA: Ige, Miyagi Wrong About 38 Minute Delay [Possible subtitle: Ignorant or Liars?]

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/20931/FEMA-Ige-Miyagi-Wrong-About-38-Minute-Delay.aspx

In Hawaii, No Heads Roll over False Missile Alarm
It’s time we demand more accountability from the people who have such influence over our daily lives.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455431/hawaii-missile-false-alarm-no-consequences-bureaucrats

i'll take oldfart's word on this one too
I am assuming, PP, that you have never made a mistake?

i'll take oldfart's word on this one too
I am assuming, PP, that you have never made a mistake?

Red herring, but

As I have never overseen the design and implementation of any system that distressed (in some cases panicked) over 1.5 million people due to an obvious flaw wherein one person alone, without any checks or verification, could trigger the alert, and then due to incompetence and/or ignorance didn't issue a retraction for 38 minutes because they didn't know how to do it, I have thus never made a "mistake" that had anything even remotely resembling the consequences of Miyagi's.

Why would you believe that someone that incompetent/ignorant in the first place, will be able to get the entire system correctly configured now? Sure, they may make "corrections" for these two disastrously illustrated issues, but what else is lurking in the entire system that they have "overlooked"?

Miyagi and the entire bureaucracy responsible for designing and approving the system should be fired, and the state should turn over the hiring process to FEMA or some other independent agency in order to get someone competent and not just another member of the good ol' boys club (as the prosecution did in the Kealoha cases with bringing in prosecutors from the mainland). Of course we know that won't happen because... Hawaii.