Ballistic missile Alert (Read 139520 times)

ren

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #240 on: January 16, 2018, 02:03:39 PM »
The missile alert message was confirmed to be fake news and Trump said nothing about it on twitter.    :D

Because Hawaii owned up to the mistake. He couldve railed on the governor lke the rest of the Democrats vying for power but he didnt.
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #241 on: January 16, 2018, 02:09:53 PM »
Because Hawaii owned up to the mistake. He couldve railed on the governor lke the rest of the Democrats vying for power but he didnt.

The FCC is investigating the alert release.

Trump IS doing something -- via proper channels and agencies.  Trump isn't going to do the investigation himself.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

zippz

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #242 on: January 16, 2018, 02:22:35 PM »
There is an informational briefing on the incident at the state capitol auditorium, Jan 19 at 10 am.  No public testimony.

punaperson

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #243 on: January 16, 2018, 04:55:37 PM »
Ward: Step- by-step walkthrough of the software, hardware, and personnel that led to false alarm

“Quite frankly, the information we have been given in mea culpa simplicity terms of human error lacks credibility. Until I see the room the decision was made in and the step-by-step decision tree, I find it incredible that one person without any safe guards has the full faith and confidence of the Governor and Generals, without the approval from PACOM to tell 1.4 million people that a nuclear weapon is on its way to Hawaiʻi,” Ward said.

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/20936/Ward-Step-by-step-walkthrough-of-the-software-hardware-and-personnel-that-led-to-false-alarm.aspx

[AND... they can't get their story straight... "one person pressed the wrong button"... except someone now claims there were four officers in the room, including a supervisor... this is getting good!]

Button-pusher-not-holding-up-well-under-multiple-death-threats

On Saturday morning four people were on duty, including a supervisor who also was coming on during a shift change, Clairmont said.

“It’s not as easy saying it was one person doing this,” Clairmont said. “It would be very unjust to put our finger on one person. … There were at least four people in the room at the time, including a supervisor and three warning officers. That’s what leads us to believe it’s not as simple as people think. Maybe something was said in the room that was misinterpreted. Maybe there were too many people in the room.”

A supervisor “has to approve the action,” Clairmont said. “You see? It’s complicated. We need to get into exactly what happened.”

But it was one warning officer, in particular, “who clicked the button,” Clairmont said. “There was one individual, a very well-trained and seasoned employee. He’s not someone we hired off the street. This was someone we could depend on. There had to be more to it.” ….

http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/01/16/hawaii-news/button-pusher-not-holding-up-well-under-multiple-death-threats/?HSA=1b4b8004f8fe36dfbcbb34e2459e4be452be4162

[Then there's the former governor...]

Abercrombie Ridicules Claim that Ige Needed FEMA Permission to Retract Warning

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/37270953/former-gov-neil-abercrombie-blasts-ige-administration-over-missile-alert-miscue

HNN: …"In this instance, the leader was AWOL. In this instance, the leader completely dropped the ball. In this instance, the leader was apparently frozen in place,” said Abercrombie.

It took the administration 38 minutes to correct the emergency alert, which stated that a “ballistic missile threat inbound to Hawaii,” traumatizing thousands of isle residents and tourists.

State emergency officials said additional time was needed to send the all clear because they needed to coordinate that response with federal officials on the mainland.

"It amazed me when I heard this. Oh well we couldn't do that because we had to check with somebody on the mainland on Saturday afternoon if it was okay to tell them that people that they're probably not going to die,” said Abercrombie….

Mr. Farknocker

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #244 on: January 16, 2018, 05:10:20 PM »
Ok, guys. Things are getting way to serious with this discussion.

I need to interject with a little levity:

aieahound

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #245 on: January 16, 2018, 05:19:56 PM »
Classic !  :rofl:

Heavies

rpoL98

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #247 on: January 16, 2018, 09:21:19 PM »
Associated Press photo.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #248 on: January 16, 2018, 09:42:04 PM »
Yes, that is a password stuck to a screen at Hawaii's emergency management HQ

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Richard Rapoza, emergency management agency spokesman, confirmed that the password is authentic and was actually used for an "internal application."

He said he didn't believe that application is any longer in use, but declined to say what application the password was for.

"It wasn't for any major piece of software," he said, while also acknowledging that it's not a good idea to have a password in plain sight, especially with news cameras around.

Rapoza added that the password debacle isn't the most outlandish issue he's had to tackle this week — false alerts aside.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/37279882/yes-that-is-a-password-stuck-to-a-screen-at-hawaiis-emergency-management-hq



The state can't agree on what the missile alert interface actually looks like

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The confusing and seemingly rudimentary design quickly grabbed headlines nationally.

But a day later, the state's emergency management agency is disputing that image — and has released a different one.

Officials from the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency said the first image was sent in error, but declined to provide an actual photo of the interface.

Instead on Tuesday, they gave Hawaii News Now something they said was similar to the actual interface, and it included a drop down menu — not a list of possible real and test alerts.

The revelation was another chapter in what some have called a frustrating (and, at times, downright bizarre) response to Saturday's false alarm about an inbound ballistic missile.

Richard Rapoza, emergency management agency spokesman, said of the newly-released image: "This is a close facsimile. The operator should have selected the 'DRILL-PACOM (DEMO)' option, but instead clicked on the 'PACOM (CDW)' option."

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/37271628/officials-release-image-of-hiema-screen-that-triggered-incorrect-missile-alert
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #249 on: January 16, 2018, 09:49:02 PM »
I thought is was Photoshopped or something along those lines.
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #250 on: January 16, 2018, 09:52:35 PM »
I thought is was Photoshopped or something along those lines.

Nowadays, with all the fake crap out there, it's pretty much a lie until authenticated by 18 independent sources with video, affidavits, and a complete DNA report.   :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

mrgaf

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #251 on: January 16, 2018, 10:19:36 PM »
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

ren

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #252 on: January 16, 2018, 10:44:55 PM »
well, just as I thought - we all will end up paying for this.
Now lawmakers want to ensure schools are prepared for the very slight chance we get hit.
http://khon2.com/2018/01/16/will-schools-be-ready-if-disaster-strikes-false-alarm-prompts-call-for-action/

on top of the micro managing and "what ifs" govt. will find ways to spend our tax money for increased oversight, more bureaucracy and more preparations to be prepared.
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #253 on: January 16, 2018, 11:00:01 PM »
well, just as I thought - we all will end up paying for this.
Now lawmakers want to ensure schools are prepared for the very slight chance we get hit.
http://khon2.com/2018/01/16/will-schools-be-ready-if-disaster-strikes-false-alarm-prompts-call-for-action/

on top of the micro managing and "what ifs" govt. will find ways to spend our tax money for increased oversight, more bureaucracy and more preparations to be prepared.

If we can prepare for surviving a missile strike, we should be ready for any disaster -- natural or man-made.

At least it won't be wasted for just one contingency.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

2ahavvaii

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #254 on: January 17, 2018, 08:23:36 AM »
some notes:

hi ema does operate on a shoestring budget.  Been asking the leg for years for more funds to improve things like their software, better equipment, etc -  always denied.  So in actuality, whos fault is it that they dont have the funds necessary to buy, develop, or contract out a competent software, paving the way for such an incident to occur?  So if it ends up that they're finally allocated some money to better equip hawaii for natural disasters, that's probably a good thing.  Better preparations for ballistic missile will positively affect readiness in all areas.

Leadership is lacking all around... "someone", whether it be the administrator, #2, #3, #4 in command, the governor, a senator, ANYONE should have issued the order to send a correction text immediately, regulations or perceived regulations be damned.  Whatever method was used to communicate the alert should be cancelled using that method immediately, that is common sense.   If they immediately issued a correcting text, this would be a much smaller incident.  Maybe FEMA would have slapped the back of hi ema's wrists and said "bad boy you didn't follow regulations", but who fucking cares?  All these idiots are doing is covering their own asses and grandstanding because its an election year.  Look for a lot more fingerpointing and other BS to come.  BUT this is hawaii, and incompetence and stupidity is the status quo.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #255 on: January 17, 2018, 09:30:50 AM »
some notes:

hi ema does operate on a shoestring budget.  Been asking the leg for years for more funds to improve things like their software, better equipment, etc -  always denied.  So in actuality, whos fault is it that they dont have the funds necessary to buy, develop, or contract out a competent software, paving the way for such an incident to occur?  So if it ends up that they're finally allocated some money to better equip hawaii for natural disasters, that's probably a good thing.  Better preparations for ballistic missile will positively affect readiness in all areas.

We are one of 50 states (58, if you ask Obama), and 16 territories and insular areas.  It's mind boggling to me that the FCC doesn't have a standard Emergency Broadcast software package that everyone is required to use.  A standardized system would ensure everyone has the came capabilities, including standard, approved message templates for any contingency.

Having each state reinvent the wheel is why states waste so much money.  But, I guess we couldn't use the motto "Hawaii is different" if we adopted working solutions from anyone else.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #256 on: January 18, 2018, 08:53:34 AM »
The fact that Trump didn't take the opportunity to bash Hawaii's democratic leadership made me suspicious.

punaperson

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #257 on: January 19, 2018, 08:09:13 AM »
I know "correlation is not causation" but...

Inspector

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #258 on: January 19, 2018, 09:06:01 AM »
I know "correlation is not causation" but...


Guess some of us had to get our porn fix in before we start to glow in the dark.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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oldfart

Re: Ballistic missile Alert
« Reply #259 on: January 19, 2018, 09:24:19 AM »
That is an interesting statistic.
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