Neutral doesn't mean helpless.  If military assets equals primary target, then Switzerland is the antithesis of your theory.

Is your feeling that if the military had a smaller (to no) foot print in Hawaii that would facilitate the  path to restoration of the Hawaiian Nation? Or is it truly driven by fears nuclear targeting?

Although there are some who can accept the fear and potential nuclear destruction of themselves and their love ones, as a result of the strong US military presence in Hawaii, I am one of the many thousands that I believe share and live in constant fear of nuclear attack, due to the afore mentioned as well as political leaders who lack the common sense to work towards relocating the US military presence elsewhere, in an effort to keep its citizens out of harms way, no matter the cost.

Given the events on Saturday, wouldn't that be a strong campaign platform for a candidate for Governor of Hawaii?

Although there are some who can accept the fear and potential nuclear destruction of themselves and their love ones, as a result of the strong US military presence in Hawaii, I am one of the many thousands that I believe share and live in constant fear of nuclear attack, due to the afore mentioned as well as political leaders who lack the common sense to work towards relocating the US military presence elsewhere, in an effort to keep its citizens out of harms way, no matter the cost.

Given the events on Saturday, wouldn't that be a strong campaign platform for a candidate for Governor of Hawaii?

We should all give up all our firearms, because that just makes us a target.  Better to just let criminals have their way with no resistance.  It's much safer....

One more thing. You mention living “in constant fear or nuclear attack”, but have also mentioned terrorism as a boogieman belief. Why do you feel terrorism is such a far fetched threat versus attack via nuclear ballistic missile? Again, just trying to understand your line of thinking.

Personally, I view terrorism (such as sporting or entertainment event) as having a higher probability. No data to offer or anything like that. Just MHO.

We should all give up all our firearms, because that just makes us a target.  Better to just let criminals have their way with no resistance.  It's much safer....

Why do you think having a smaller US military presence in Hawaii equates with a decline in the US military's overall capabilities?

The national security of the US does not primarily hinge on the amount of military it stations in Hawaii.  The US has more oversea military bases than any other nation on this planet.  I seriously think you maybe overvaluing Hawaii's military significance in America's overall military strategy.

Moreover, let's not forget that America has a bigger nuclear button than anybody else that does not depend on whether Hawaii gets destroyed or not.  And that is the problem for people living in Hawaii.

Removing US military presence from Hawaii will weaken our security AND devastate the economy.  My comment stands.

Whose overall security Hawaii's or the US Mainland?

As for Hawaii's economy, I can introduce you to a bunch of realtors and entrepreneurs who would love to develop and commercialize the lands currently being utilized by the US military here in Hawaii.

If that where the case that CERTAINLY would not be to the benefit of Hawaii's citizens and local people.

Have you seen what has become of Barbers Point NAS after being turned over to the state, entrepreneurs, and developers?  If you want to go take a look, don't go after dark without sufficient self defense tools.

I did not say the threat of terrorism is not real.  I merely shared how I am more afraid of some nation state launching a nuclear missile that no one person living in Hawaii can do anything about, except wait for death, versus a non-nuclear/biological/chemical terrorist attack where there are things normal citizens can do to be on the look-out for and/or take appropriate action to defend oneself.

I did not say the threat of terrorism is not real.  I merely shared how I am more afraid of some nation state launching a nuclear missile that no one person living in Hawaii can do anything about, except wait for death, versus a  where there are things normal citizens can do to be on the look-out for and/or take appropriate action to defend oneself.

Please explain how you would have defended yourself in attacks like the sarin attack on the subway in Japan.

The sarin attack in Japan was a chemical attack, which leave very little one can do.


Or even in the Las Vegas shooting.

For an open area entertainment event in Las Vegas, like many in this forum, proper situational awareness, like scanning for places where a mass shooter would most likely place themselves.  I am no means an expert, but also knowing avenues of escape, areas of cover and concealment, and shadow zones, if at night, and etc.

Yet more reason to rethink having such a large military presence in Hawaii.

Please see https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/us/politics/missile-launch-test-failed.html


First, incompetent incoming missile warning system.

Now, suspect missile defense designed to protect Hawaii from incoming ballistic missiles.

Well, at least most of the military personnel will be spared the destruction in their already constructed bomb shelters.  For the rest of the civilian population, however, I guess we have to just wait for the end.

I got lotsa room in my shelter.

Great, I hope you make room for the 1,000,000 or so of us top side.