I've been part of the gun community for a little over a year now.  And was wondering if our rights have always been on the chopping block this much?  Prior to 2016, I have no knowledge about gun bills or things related.

The reason why I ask is because this is an added stressor to worry about.  Every year there are a few bills that want to "infringe" our 2a.  And I don't want to be complacent or give up the fight to keep our rights.

I've been part of the gun community for a little over a year now.  And was wondering if our rights have always been on the chopping block this much?  Prior to 2016, I have no knowledge about gun bills or things related.

The reason why I ask is because this is an added stressor to worry about.  Every year there are a few bills that want to "infringe" our 2a.  And I don't want to be complacent or give up the fight to keep our rights.

I would consider myself “newish” as I’ve only been a gun owner since late 2014. But in looking back at previous years by Google searches and archives here, its pretty much an annual THREAT.

Some can decide which proposed bills are more “serious” than others, but an infringement is an infringement.

In 2013 they proposed a wide sweeping “Assault Weapons Ban” but it never made it out of committee. This falls in line with the AWB proposed nationally following Sandy Hook. So its more than safe to say that “monkey see, monkey do” when it comes to Democrats here mirrioring what is attempted nationally.

You can look at the newly proposed “Bump Stock and Trigger mechanism” ban as it pretty much mirrors what was proposed nationally following the Vegas and Texas incidents as proof there is no “thinking” done in Hawaii, just playing up to their “bigger brothers and sisters” in the Democrat Party on the mainland.

One thing to remember is that this is a state that once attempted to ban all handguns in the early 90s… so what does that say about Hawaii?

Damn ban all handguns?  What was the event that lead to this and how did we fight it?  Or was no fight needed and the law makers realized the guy who presented the bill was just crazy.

Damn ban all handguns?  What was the event that lead to this and how did we fight it?  Or was no fight needed and the law makers realized the guy who presented the bill was just crazy.

The Hawaii attempted handgun ban of 1990 (I believe) was something referenced to by the Hawaii Rifle Association under their list of accomplishments regarding gun laws they claim to have assisted with curbing or stopping.

It was then Governor John Waihee that was quoted in saying “now is the time” or something to that effect. Can’t find the info that says what sparked it though.

Anyway, the basic handgun safety course and magazine limit today are the result of what was “compromised”. I think Rep Joe Souki proposed the compromise or something. Again, its 1990 so hard to do a Google search on the details.

Damn ban all handguns?  What was the event that lead to this and how did we fight it?  Or was no fight needed and the law makers realized the guy who presented the bill was just crazy.

In the 1960s the national polling showed that over 60% of Americans favored banning handguns. One of the leading groups was named "The National Coalition to Ban Handguns" and has since re-named themselves as the "Coalition to Stop Gun Violence". They now claim they aren't against firearm ownership, they're just for commonsense gun safety regulations. Yeah, right.

I've been part of the gun community for a little over a year now.  And was wondering if our rights have always been on the chopping block this much?  Prior to 2016, I have no knowledge about gun bills or things related.

The reason why I ask is because this is an added stressor to worry about.  Every year there are a few bills that want to "infringe" our 2a.  And I don't want to be complacent or give up the fight to keep our rights.

I'm re-reading, probably for the fifth time, "Stopping Power" by J. Neil Schulman, subtitled "Acclaimed Demolition of Gun Control". He has mostly articles he wrote for various publications, exposing the lies and statistical manipulation of various "gun control" organizations. It was published in 1994, with some revisions in 1999. I gotta tell ya, it's damn depressing. It's EXACTLY the same issues and lies as now (though some issues far less prevalent in some states, i.e. lawful concealed carry), over and over again, and perhaps even more depressing is that some of the names are the same (Schumer, Feinstein, etc.). Good grief. It makes me sick. Some things never change, in this case I think you could generally say it's a battle between those advocating individual rights and liberty vs. those who would control individuals for "the good of all" (aka progressives, socialists, communists, etc.).

In that timeframe, the most well-publicized shooting was at a Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen, TX, in 1991.

The shooter rammed his truck through the front window, and proceeded to casually walk through the place shooting anyone he could.  He killed 23 and wounded 27 others.

I remember this being the event that shook people, as everyone realized they can be the victims of random mass violence anywhere, at anytime, and for no reason other than wrong place, wrong time.

The weapons used were a Glock 17 and a Ruger P89.

From my personal  experience attempting to defend gun rights in Oregon before moving here and if you want to maintain your sanity. 

- Giving money to national organizations does nothing for state politics.  Dont be surprised that NRA is of no help when you need assistance with state politicians.   (source: begged NRA for help with Oregon recall petition campaign and they actually hindered the campaign)

- Emailing politicians does nothing.  They are not representatives.  They primarily listen to wealthy donors and party platforms.  The DNC writes talking points for anti-gun politicians   (source: anti-gun talking points in wikileaks emails, state politician in oregon said emails were to be tracked by the NSA for emailing him against a anti-gun bill).  At least call if you want to share an opinion. 

- Contact only representatives that are pro-gun to ask what you can do to help even if you are not in their district.  Pro-gun legislator in Oregon (not mine) was the only person to help when I would ask questions. 

- Dont trust any politician - My oregon recall petition over a anti-gun law bought and paid for by Bloomberg was torpedo'd by both state republicans and democrats.  A republican state legislator's girlfriend even tried to scam us out of money by saying she was going to help our effort. Republicans threatened to blacklist people who wanted to help us.  My personal state representative (a fellow physician too) lied to me directly. 

In my opinion, Hawaii is a lost cause for gun rights.  I did not bring any guns with me here and I will never submit to the state accessing my medical records or giving my information to the FBI to own a firearm.   

(sorry for my negative nancy position)

I'm not completely 100% on this, but I believe HRA had to organize fiercely to put down that bill.  Hundreds showed up to the capitol to protest.  It's been mentioned before on this site. 


Our efforts of recent, to fight the anti-gun machine, haven't even come close.

An assault weapons ban bill would bring people out again.  From what I've read so far is it depends on the severity of the bill, how many people it directly affects, and when it affects them.  Immediately ban handguns then people will be furious.  Implement RAPBACK where it's a reasonable one time price and people think they're not criminals so it won't affect them.

Sen Espero asked me what I thought about a bill that only banned future transfers of assault rifles.  I told him it was cheesy because rather than pushing the bill based it's merits they're relying on current owners to be complacent and future owners can't complain because they don't know they're being affected by it.

An assault weapons ban bill would bring people out again.  From what I've read so far is it depends on the severity of the bill, how many people it directly affects, and when it affects them.  Immediately ban handguns then people will be furious.  Implement RAPBACK where it's a reasonable one time price and people think they're not criminals so it won't affect them.

Sen Espero asked me what I thought about a bill that only banned future transfers of assault rifles.  I told him it was cheesy because rather than pushing the bill based it's merits they're relying on current owners to be complacent and future owners can't complain because they don't know they're being affected by it.

Should have told him there is already law banning as well as the transfer of "assault rifles".

Should have told him there is already law banning as well as the transfer of "assault rifles".

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