(Rhetorical question) Other than pissing off current gun owners, how is reregistering every five years gonna make society safer? I thought that's what rapback was supposed to be for or have they given up on that yet?

they are saying 5 years because last year, once a year got defeated
"they" will never give up until they get what they want

they are saying 5 years because last year, once a year got defeated
"they" will never give up until they get what they want

Imagine the lines if we had to register every year.

 

Why is it only progressive states that are in violation of Federal law?

Illegal drugs
Immigration
and Firearms databases


18 U.S. Code § 926 - Rules and regulations

(a) The Attorney General may prescribe only such rules and regulations as are necessary to carry out the provisions of this chapter, including—
(1) regulations providing that a person licensed under this chapter, when dealing with another person so licensed, shall provide such other licensed person a certified copy of this license;
(2) regulations providing for the issuance, at a reasonable cost, to a person licensed under this chapter, of certified copies of his license for use as provided under regulations issued under paragraph (1) of this subsection; and
(3) regulations providing for effective receipt and secure storage of firearms relinquished by or seized from persons described in subsection D8 or G8 of section 922.


No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any STATE or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary’s [1] authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.


(b) The Attorney General shall give not less than ninety days public notice, and shall afford interested parties opportunity for hearing, before prescribing such rules and regulations.
(c) The Attorney General shall not prescribe rules or regulations that require purchasers of black powder under the exemption provided in section 845(a)(5) of this title to complete affidavits or forms attesting to that exemption.

progression towards anarchy? Progression towards lunacy?

Maybe we should work with them on this so maybe we can have slingshots or airsoft? \sarc

Maybe we should work with them on this so maybe we can have slingshots or airsoft? \sarc

Doesn't RAPBACK do the same thing as a re-registration?  What more information can HPD find after 5 years that RAPBACK won't?

They want to inspect your firearm just like they do your cars now.


Hawaii is a police state.

They want to inspect your firearm just like they do your cars now.


Hawaii is a police state.

They don't do a safety check when you bring it in for initial registration.  That would require more than just looking at the serial and barrel length.  I can't wait until the HPD firearms section pulls out a set of gauges to check head spacing!   

They might have some idea that firearms are being modified to make them illegal, which an inspection might catch, although it's not major surgery to swap parts if that makes the gun legal for a day. 

Maybe they don't like being told guns are being sold to out of state buyers, which screws up their record keeping?

People change out headlights and other illegal car parts to get it to pass inspection.  Same would happen with firearms.

The whole idea just smacks of ignorance or more anti-gun-owner BS.  Probably both.

Why is it only progressive states that are in violation of Federal law?

Illegal drugs
Immigration
and Firearms databases


18 U.S. Code § 926 - Rules and regulations

(a) The Attorney General may prescribe only such rules and regulations as are necessary to carry out the provisions of this chapter, including—
(1) regulations providing that a person licensed under this chapter, when dealing with another person so licensed, shall provide such other licensed person a certified copy of this license;
(2) regulations providing for the issuance, at a reasonable cost, to a person licensed under this chapter, of certified copies of his license for use as provided under regulations issued under paragraph (1) of this subsection; and
(3) regulations providing for effective receipt and secure storage of firearms relinquished by or seized from persons described in subsection D8 or G8 of section 922.


No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any STATE or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary’s [1] authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.


(b) The Attorney General shall give not less than ninety days public notice, and shall afford interested parties opportunity for hearing, before prescribing such rules and regulations.
(c) The Attorney General shall not prescribe rules or regulations that require purchasers of black powder under the exemption provided in section 845(a)(5) of this title to complete affidavits or forms attesting to that exemption.

Problem with the FOPA of 1986 is that it bans the enactment of such issues like registration of firearms/owners/transactions - systems in place beforehand are exempt. Since Hawaii's registration system predates statehood (at least for pistols), then such systems can continue.

They don't do a safety check when you bring it in for initial registration.  That would require more than just looking at the serial and barrel length.  I can't wait until the HPD firearms section pulls out a set of gauges to check head spacing!   

They might have some idea that firearms are being modified to make them illegal, which an inspection might catch, although it's not major surgery to swap parts if that makes the gun legal for a day. 

Maybe they don't like being told guns are being sold to out of state buyers, which screws up their record keeping?

People change out headlights and other illegal car parts to get it to pass inspection.  Same would happen with firearms.

The whole idea just smacks of ignorance or more anti-gun-owner BS.  Probably both.

I'd be willing to bet that what will happen is they'll try to throw us a bone and say that you can re-register online, with no physical inspection required. A part of the "negiotiation" process, and all that crap. 

Its a way to get all firearm owners into rapback

Why is it only progressive states that are in violation of Federal law?

Illegal drugs
Immigration
and Firearms databases


18 U.S. Code § 926 - Rules and regulations

(a) The Attorney General may prescribe only such rules and regulations as are necessary to carry out the provisions of this chapter, including—
(1) regulations providing that a person licensed under this chapter, when dealing with another person so licensed, shall provide such other licensed person a certified copy of this license;
(2) regulations providing for the issuance, at a reasonable cost, to a person licensed under this chapter, of certified copies of his license for use as provided under regulations issued under paragraph (1) of this subsection; and
(3) regulations providing for effective receipt and secure storage of firearms relinquished by or seized from persons described in subsection D8 or G8 of section 922.


No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any STATE or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary’s [1] authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.


(b) The Attorney General shall give not less than ninety days public notice, and shall afford interested parties opportunity for hearing, before prescribing such rules and regulations.
(c) The Attorney General shall not prescribe rules or regulations that require purchasers of black powder under the exemption provided in section 845(a)(5) of this title to complete affidavits or forms attesting to that exemption.

It dosnt count because the AG (of the USA) is not the one requiring registration)

Believe me, I'm as tempted and desirous as anyone of finding some rhyme or reason other than pure evil for this proposed law, and all the others we see facing us this year, but I'm afraid I can't give any benefit of the doubt to the sponsors of this bill.

The primary sponsor is Josh Green MD, who, as you may recall, previously introduced a bill requiring a mental health check by a "state approved mental health worker" within 90 days prior to any firearm acquisition/purchase, in order to prevent anyone who might at some point in the future harm someone due to mental health issues from possessing a firearm. (In my testimony I cited several peer-reviewed studies indicating that psychiatrists and psychologists have a track record clearly indicating that they cannot predict future mental illness and crime.) Buy a firearm every three months, that'd be four mental health checks per year paid for out of your own pocket, effectively making it a HUGE tax on the purchase of firearms. And if a "mental health worker" had even the slightest question about the consequences of making a "wrong" decision in allowing a person who would in the future commit violence with a firearm, or really even no question at all, which way do you think he'd lean? NO GUNS FOR YOU!

When I pointed out to DOCTOR Green that more than TEN TIMES as many Americans die from "avoidable medical errors" by health professionals as die from firearm incidents of ALL kinds (suicide, homicide, accident) and suggested that he introduce a bill to require mental health checks by "state approved mental health workers" for all doctors, nurses, or anyone else in any position in the health care field that has ever been responsible for a patient death or injury... he didn't answer me. TEN TIMES as many deaths! NO ANSWER.

I'm forced to go with the evil/liar explanation.

I'm hoping that somehow these get defeated at the committee level.

It dosnt count because the AG (of the USA) is not the one requiring registration)

"controlled by the United States or any STATE or any political subdivision thereof"

Its a way to get all firearm owners into rapback

Yuppers.

  we gotta worry about these clowns trying  to shit on us every year!   

we gotta worry about these clowns trying  to shit on us every year!

So it always has been. So it shall ever be.




But I concur  .

if you have multiple firearms, and some you have sold, and then go to re-register and you don't have those guns that you sold
what do you think HPD will do?
every part of this bill stinks!

if you have multiple firearms, and some you have sold, and then go to re-register and you don't have those guns that you sold
what do you think HPD will do?
every part of this bill stinks!

If you sold them in-state, the buyer is supposed to register, and you were supposed to notify HPD of the sale.

If you sold them to an out-of-state buyer, you still have to notify HPD.

If you sold them in-state, the buyer is supposed to register, and you were supposed to notify HPD of the sale.

If you sold them to an out-of-state buyer, you still have to notify HPD.

each one I went to HPD with the buyer and it was registered.
each time I gave buyer a copy of my registration, and I was present for each transaction.
also on the firearm information sheet that I gave the seller, it has my name and contact info as the seller.  and it was given to HPD at the time of the buyer's registration.
so on their registration it is documented that I am the seller

but I can see HPD pulling a fast one and doing something to screw us up in some way