HB 1908 with amendments to specifically target bump stocks and “cranks” gets signed.

SB 2046 remains un-amended and BROAD with trigger modifications and gets signed.

Can this happen? How would it be possible?

oh, you are asking IF it could happen?
no, there will be a conference committee to decide which version they will go with
and this occurs OUTSIDE OF PUBLIC TESTIMONY

WE STILL NEED TO HIT SB 2046 HARD

Just called Takumi's office. Amended version won't be up online for 2 to 3 days.

PASSED THE COMMITTEE BY UNANIMOUS VOTE!

Done wasting my time with testimony and contacting the legislation.  I'm even more frustrated that my taxes are wasted on a mechanism to give testimony that has no bearing on the legislators.  I doubt they read any of it since they cant even bother to show up for meetings or respond to messages. 

But Im not surprised. it was the same in Oregon. 

Just posted, just so you know I'm not making it up. I suppose the people on there with NRA "A" ratings got cover since the NRA seems to be advocating for the same thing anyway, as long as the language is not "over broad".

2/21/2018   H   The committees on CPC recommend that the measure be PASSED, WITH AMENDMENTS. The votes were as follows: 11 Ayes: Representative(s) Takumi, Ichiyama, Aquino, Ito, Johanson, LoPresti, Mizuno, Say, Tokioka, Yamane, McDermott; Ayes with reservations: none; Noes: none; and Excused: none.

Done wasting my time with testimony and contacting the legislation.  I'm even more frustrated that my taxes are wasted on a mechanism to give testimony that has no bearing on the legislators.  I doubt they read any of it since they cant even bother to show up for meetings or respond to messages. 

But Im not surprised. it was the same in Oregon.

I understand. Almost makes ya wonder what the hell is really going on down there...     

Just posted, just so you know I'm not making it up. I suppose the people on there with NRA "A" ratings got cover since the NRA seems to be advocating for the same thing anyway, as long as the language is not "over broad".

2/21/2018   H   The committees on CPC recommend that the measure be PASSED, WITH AMENDMENTS. The votes were as follows: 11 Ayes: Representative(s) Takumi, Ichiyama, Aquino, Ito, Johanson, LoPresti, Mizuno, Say, Tokioka, Yamane, McDermott; Ayes with reservations: none; Noes: none; and Excused: none.

the As are on our side, I know a few personally...

oh, wait, never mind
punaperson not gonna listen to my viewpoint, please disregard

the As are on our side, I know a few personally...

Didn't seem to make a difference, again.

But, we knew some version of this idiocy would get passed, especially after Florida.

If for no other reason than to quiet the squealing of the Tide Pod Eaters.

the As are on our side, I know a few personally...

oh, wait, never mind
punaperson not gonna listen to my viewpoint, please disregard

No, I'm listening. Explain it to me.

What does an NRA "A" rating mean? And how does voting for this bill comport with that meaning?

From the NRA:

An NRA "A+" candidate is one who has "not only an excellent voting record on all critical NRA issues, but who has also made a vigorous effort to promote and defend the Second Amendment"

We also consider a candidate’s other actions, both public and behind the scenes, such as pushing for votes on critical bills or lobbying colleagues.
......
So do you have some "inside information" that any of these A-rated people were (unsuccessfully) pushing the committee chairs to hold hearings on SB2066, SB2067, and/or SB2068 or any other pro-rights bills in either chamber? If not, what DID they do?

No, I'm listening. Explain it to me.

What does an NRA "A" rating mean? And how does voting for this bill comport with that meaning?

From the NRA:

An NRA "A+" candidate is one who has "not only an excellent voting record on all critical NRA issues, but who has also made a vigorous effort to promote and defend the Second Amendment"

We also consider a candidate’s other actions, both public and behind the scenes, such as pushing for votes on critical bills or lobbying colleagues.
......
So do you have some "inside information" that any of these A-rated people were (unsuccessfully) pushing the committee chairs to hold hearings on SB2066, SB2067, and/or SB2068 or any other pro-rights bills in either chamber? If not, what DID they do?

Now, now, I'm sure they have a good excuse, and there's no doubt in my mind they said "UHH" and "UMMM" a lot.

You wouldn't want them t risk their re election chances over principles would you?   

Completely over it....

oh, you are asking IF it could happen?
no, there will be a conference committee to decide which version they will go with
and this occurs OUTSIDE OF PUBLIC TESTIMONY

WE STILL NEED TO HIT SB 2046 HARD

Bingo. Thanks, already waiting for the next hearing.

Cool story bro.

Dosent ban bump stocks tho.

You dont need a device to bump fire a semi automatic rifle. its a function of how they work.
Therefore the device does not ALLOW in the firing it assists in the firing.

AS SUCH this law does not ban bump stocks.

I don't like the outcome but IMO the outcome was inevitable and predictable no matter how many opposed it, unless it was thousands. After all, Hawaii is an extremely liberal state and the state legislators were already posturing and ready to pass some type of anti-gun legislation after Vegas, and surely with another mass shooting occurring shortly after in Florida, they were hell-bent on passing some type of anti-gun legislation. There is almost no way they would not jump on the same anti-gun bandwagon along side with the other liberal anti-gun states. That would be almost inconceivable for our legislators. 

It's done and there is nothing we can do except gear up for their next ridiculous attempt to further infringe on our 2a rights. With the two recent mass shootings, at this point, holding off further attempts would be a win.

Done wasting my time with testimony and contacting the legislation.  I'm even more frustrated that my taxes are wasted on a mechanism to give testimony that has no bearing on the legislators.  I doubt they read any of it since they cant even bother to show up for meetings or respond to messages. 

But Im not surprised. it was the same in Oregon.

Consider this, at the least please submit a testimony with a token oppose.

These bills are likely passing out of committee because the committee members don't want to seem like the "bad guy" by being 1 out of a handful of people to vote it down in the wake of 2 publicized shootings.  Instead, they'll kick the bill to the full house/senate to make everyone else put some skin in the game if they're going to take the testimony into consideration.  Many of the lawmakers love to posture and win brownie points with voters, and dont really care about issues outside of their own political gain.  They're all chameleons and snakes, but perhaps some of them would see the light because of the overwhelming opposition.

All the lawmakers also know that both Trump and the NRA do not support these devices, in fact they both support a ban or in Trump's case to look into a ban, so there is no real opposition, other than public testimony.

Done wasting my time with testimony and contacting the legislation.  I'm even more frustrated that my taxes are wasted on a mechanism to give testimony that has no bearing on the legislators.  I doubt they read any of it since they cant even bother to show up for meetings or respond to messages. 

This is the desired effect. What you are saying is that they win and because of a little frustration with the process you are willing to give up rather then stand for what you believe. It's no coincidence things are organized the way they are. They know exactly how far they can push someone before people start to call it quits. The reason Hawaii voters are so apathetic is that we've been trained.

I highly recommend that if you plan on following your apathy to it's logical conclusion then do it in private. There are plenty of others who are willing to continue to fight despite the challenges, and they don't need you carrying the banner for the enemy.

If we need to give them one. Give 'em HB 1908 and not SB 2046.

I know you pipe dream guys are saying don't give them anything.
Real world. They need something. And we can't stop 'em.

1908 is way better than 2046.

Rhetoric commence.

If we need to give them one. Give 'em HB 1908 and not SB 2046.

I know you pipe dream guys are saying don't give them anything.
Real world. They need something. And we can't stop 'em.

1908 is way better than 2046.

Rhetoric commence.

We need to keep up the fight and pressure, and not give up.  We need to also work extra hard to get as many of these incumbents displaced as we can! 

This legislation is just the tip of the iceberg in crazy do nothing anti gun legislation. 

If we need to give them one. Give 'em HB 1908 and not SB 2046.

I know you pipe dream guys are saying don't give them anything.
Real world. They need something. And we can't stop 'em.

1908 is way better than 2046.

Rhetoric commence.

How sad is it when asking/expecting/demanding the government and "public servants" who have sworn an oath to uphold the founding supreme legal documents of the country and state to abide by that law is considered a "pipe dream"?

[Hint: Really really sad.]

/Rhetoric.

the As are on our side, I know a few personally...

oh, wait, never mind
punaperson not gonna listen to my viewpoint, please disregard

"I absolutely believe that in this country if you are 18 years of age, you should not be able to buy a rifle, and I will support a law that takes that right away," Rubio said at CNN's town hall in Florida.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/21/politics/marco-rubio-gun-town-hall/index.html

If that doesn't merit "the highest attainable 'A+' rating from the NRA," nothing does.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160707/nra-endorses-marco-rubio-for-us-senate

This is the desired effect. What you are saying is that they win and because of a little frustration with the process you are willing to give up rather then stand for what you believe. It's no coincidence things are organized the way they are. They know exactly how far they can push someone before people start to call it quits. The reason Hawaii voters are so apathetic is that we've been trained.

I highly recommend that if you plan on following your apathy to it's logical conclusion then do it in private. There are plenty of others who are willing to continue to fight despite the challenges, and they don't need you carrying the banner for the enemy.

Been fighting for years in Oregon before I came here.  Ran a recall campaign with a lot of my own money only to be sabotaged by republicans and watched Bloomberg dump money into fighting us and winning.  The republicans threatened to blacklist someone who wanted to help us (he still did in secret).   Had the NRA offer help and then delay and delay and then end up doing nothing which only hurt our efforts.  Then watched the oregon secretary of state torpedo another recall campaign by only hand picking a small percentage of petitions and then deciding the outcome based on them after Bloomberg's constant blockage of the effort.  He paid people to spy on the petition gatherers.  He had someone try to infiltrate our meetings and steal our blank petitions and take pictures of signed forms.  Had legislators take away the C&R FFL license in oregon to hurt gun owners but at least there they had the guts to tell me why they were doing it,  Had fellow physician who was a state legislator lie to me so as to not do anything about the C&R FFL. 

So no, its not a "little frustration."   But I will try and limit my comments that the process is all rigged and emailing reps does nothing.(sorry it is)