HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/6 Passed House 3rd Reading Unanimously (Read 65000 times)

z06psi

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/2 HD2 Amended Language
« Reply #160 on: March 02, 2018, 09:21:45 PM »
One citizen, one device on one weapon, from another state in turn criminalizes I would say roughly 150 people into felons overnight.

Heavies

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/2 HD2 Amended Language
« Reply #161 on: March 03, 2018, 12:21:43 AM »
Still issue with the words, wouldn't tell "them" anything more.  Since "they" don't know WTF they are talking about, and refuse to learn or have a logical conversation on the issue, F them.. JMHO

rpoL98

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/2 HD2 Amended Language
« Reply #162 on: March 03, 2018, 01:20:24 PM »
so I guess, this is the way it is now.  Every year now we have to "give them something".  So be it.

So, for next year, what will it be?  Let's plan ahead.  Look around you, at your shooting buddies, your fellow 2A members, who do we throw under the bus for next year?  Who do we sacrifice next year?  which of these persons that we don't really have anything against personally, who do we decide to adversely affect, just to save "myself", just because "I don't have any of those" so it won't affect me, I can live without that?

10-round rifle mag limit?  5-round rifle mag limit?  bullet-button?  feature-less stocks?  flash hiders?  pistol grips?  bayo lugs?  no collapsible stocks?  ammo tax?  ammo permit?  pistol/rifle threaded barrels?  no .50/.500 cal?

just MHO is some of the verbiage in the revised HB1908 came from a supposed "OPPOSE" testimony, I could be wrong on that though.

zippz

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/2 HD2 Amended Language
« Reply #163 on: March 03, 2018, 02:14:43 PM »
just MHO is some of the verbiage in the revised HB1908 came from a supposed "OPPOSE" testimony, I could be wrong on that though.

Its true, the verbage change came from the 2a community and organizations.  I see it as an insurance policy in the event the bill becomes law.  Realistically the bump stock ban will pass unless we got thousands of people to not only submit testimony, but to actively help out.

I'm going to try my best to get us there, but we're not there now.

rpoL98

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/2 HD2 Amended Language
« Reply #164 on: March 03, 2018, 03:32:02 PM »
well, for next years insurance policy, what sacrificial lamb will we be throwing under the bus?   the dude from Kalihi?   the gal from Waipahu?  the other guy from Waimanalo?  the filipino guy from Waialua?

somehow, there's more than just Bump Stocks in the Bump Stock bill.  If it was only Bump Stocks, then it'd only be the guy from, say, Wahiawa (no worry, just made that up).

That's the point.  This affects ordinary law-abiding citizens, tax payers, upstanding neighbors, who go to work, and make tough decisions on where to spend their hard-earned pay, and somebody suggests as an insurance policy to criminalize them.

I guess it's better to be on the bus, than under the bus, although you gotta watch out for your team mates because you might just become the insurance policy at the next bus stop.

Eh, no worries, I submitted testimony up the ying yang and out the wazoo.  You can count me in on that group effort.  and even was civil and polite at that, but that took some effort, but never, ever suggested criminalizing my law-abiding gun-owning fellow citizen.

zippz

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/2 HD2 Amended Language
« Reply #165 on: March 03, 2018, 04:43:07 PM »
Thanks for the support with testimony.  Its going to be a long hard road to get where we want to be to win stuff like this.  I'm hoping in a few years we'll be able to effectively counter small stuff like this.

Jl808

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/2 HD2 Amended Language
« Reply #166 on: March 04, 2018, 09:40:08 AM »
H 3/2/2018: Forty-eight (48) hours notice Tuesday, 03-06-18.   
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/HB1908_HD2_.pdf   
HB1908 HD2   Prohibited; Bump Fire Stocks; Multiburst Trigger Activators; Trigger Cranks; Firearm   
RELATING TO FIREARMS.   Prohibits manufacture, importation, sale, transfer, and possession of bump fire stocks, multiburst trigger activators, and trigger cranks. (HB1908 HD2)   
Oppose.   TAKAYAMA, CREAGAN, DECOITE, GATES, ING, KEOHOKALOLE, LOPRESTI, LOWEN, NISHIMOTO, SAY   JUD, CPC
I think, therefore I am armed.
NRA Life Patron member, HRA Life member, HiFiCo Life Member, HDF member

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punaperson

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/2 HD2 Amended Language
« Reply #167 on: March 06, 2018, 08:38:36 PM »
3/6/2018   H   Passed Third Reading as amended in HD 2 with none voting aye with reservations; none voting no (0) and Representative(s) Woodson excused (1). Transmitted to Senate.

2ahavvaii

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/2 HD2 Amended Language
« Reply #168 on: March 06, 2018, 09:30:24 PM »
Thanks for the support with testimony.  Its going to be a long hard road to get where we want to be to win stuff like this.  I'm hoping in a few years we'll be able to effectively counter small stuff like this.

Sorry if I didn't notice it earlier, but did the bill with idiotic 48 hour notice of "voluntary confiscation" get rejected?

hvybarrels

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/6 Passed House 3rd Reading Unanimously
« Reply #169 on: March 06, 2018, 09:43:36 PM »
No it was on the news tonight. They extended it to 7 days and sent it back to the House.

Honestly that's probably the more dangerous of the two.
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

Jl808

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/6 Passed House 3rd Reading Unanimously
« Reply #170 on: March 07, 2018, 09:27:47 AM »

3 Anti-2A Bills crossed over yesterday.  HB1908, SB2046, SB2436

H 3/6/2018: Passed Third Reading as amended in HD 2 with none voting aye with reservations; none voting no (0) and Representative(s) Woodson excused (1). Transmitted to Senate.   
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/HB1908_HD2_.pdf   
HB1908 HD2   Prohibited; Bump Fire Stocks; Multiburst Trigger Activators; Trigger Cranks; Firearm   
RELATING TO FIREARMS.   Prohibits manufacture, importation, sale, transfer, and possession of bump fire stocks, multiburst trigger activators, and trigger cranks. (HB1908 HD2)   
Oppose.   TAKAYAMA, CREAGAN, DECOITE, GATES, ING, KEOHOKALOLE, LOPRESTI, LOWEN, NISHIMOTO, SAY   JUD, CPC
I think, therefore I am armed.
NRA Life Patron member, HRA Life member, HiFiCo Life Member, HDF member

The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.

2ahavvaii

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/6 Passed House 3rd Reading Unanimously
« Reply #171 on: March 07, 2018, 12:00:46 PM »
No it was on the news tonight. They extended it to 7 days and sent it back to the House.

Honestly that's probably the more dangerous of the two.

god dammit  :grrr:

6716J

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/6 Passed House 3rd Reading Unanimously
« Reply #172 on: March 07, 2018, 01:22:09 PM »
And it takes 14 days to get a permit so the "lucky guy" can't even legally transfer to another person in the PRHi, unless its a long gun and the transferee has a permit in hand. So its De Facto confiscation.

I'm so glad our "representatives" listen to the constituents.  :grrr:
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

Bunker

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/6 Passed House 3rd Reading Unanimously
« Reply #173 on: March 07, 2018, 02:17:26 PM »
I would imagine not all people who end up in the situation of having their firearms taken are bad apples and with that premise, hypothetically, if the firearms are in a trust, would/could the firearms remain in the trust with, lets say spouse or adult child of legal age to possess firearms, provided they have completed the pre-requisite training for ownership?

dustoff003

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/6 Passed House 3rd Reading Unanimously
« Reply #174 on: March 07, 2018, 05:11:32 PM »
And it takes 14 days to get a permit so the "lucky guy" can't even legally transfer to another person in the PRHi, unless its a long gun and the transferee has a permit in hand. So its De Facto confiscation.

I'm so glad our "representatives" listen to the constituents.  :grrr:

you could transfer to a FFL to get them out of state or to the FFL as a intermediary until whomever can get their permit(s) to acquire

London808

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/6 Passed House 3rd Reading Unanimously
« Reply #175 on: March 07, 2018, 10:27:53 PM »
you could transfer to a FFL to get them out of state or to the FFL as a intermediary until whomever can get their permit(s) to acquire

You could just make them disappeared
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

aieahound

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/6 Passed House 3rd Reading Unanimously
« Reply #176 on: March 07, 2018, 10:35:28 PM »
Aren't we talking about accessories and not firearms?

Jl808

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/6 Passed House 3rd Reading Unanimously
« Reply #177 on: March 09, 2018, 04:54:44 PM »
S 3/8/2018: Referred to PSM, JDC.   
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/HB1908_HD2_.pdf   
HB1908 HD2   Prohibited; Bump Fire Stocks; Multiburst Trigger Activators; Trigger Cranks; Firearm   
RELATING TO FIREARMS.   Prohibits manufacture, importation, sale, transfer, and possession of bump fire stocks, multiburst trigger activators, and trigger cranks. (HB1908 HD2)   
Oppose.   TAKAYAMA, CREAGAN, DECOITE, GATES, ING, KEOHOKALOLE, LOPRESTI, LOWEN, NISHIMOTO, SAY   PSM, JDC   
I think, therefore I am armed.
NRA Life Patron member, HRA Life member, HiFiCo Life Member, HDF member

The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.

z06psi

Re: HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/6 Passed House 3rd Reading Unanimously
« Reply #178 on: March 12, 2018, 06:04:39 PM »
Aren't we talking about accessories and not firearms?

 :thumbsup:


I know my device is not "registered".  Because it doesn't have to be.