LOL.... so no real support aside 1 mayor (out of 4), HPD (one PD out of 4), and a no name organization.

Are you insinuating that the long and storied history of the Americans for Socialist Democratic Action is insignificant? 

Testimony will be due next Tuesday, Feb. 20, 2018, by 2 PM. The new amended version of the bill is below:

COMMITTEE ON CONSUMER PROTECTION & COMMERCE

Rep. Roy M. Takumi, Chair

Rep. Linda Ichiyama, Vice Chair

Rep. Henry J.C. Aquino
Rep. Calvin K.Y. Say
Rep. Ken Ito
Rep. James Kunane Tokioka
Rep. Aaron Ling Johanson
Rep. Ryan I. Yamane
Rep. Matthew S. LoPresti
Rep. Bob McDermott
Rep. John M. Mizuno

NOTICE OF HEARING

DATE:Wednesday, February 21, 2018
TIME:2:00 P.M.
PLACE:Conference Room 329
State Capitol
415 South Beretania Street

H.B. NO. 1908

TWENTY-NINTH LEGISLATURE, 2018

H.D. 1

STATE OF HAWAII

A BILL FOR AN ACT

RELATING TO FIREARMS.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF HAWAII:

  SECTION 1.  Chapter 134, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended by adding a new section to part I to be appropriately designated and to read as follows:

     "§134-    Multiburst trigger activator; prohibition.  (a)  Any person in this State who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the State, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses any multiburst trigger activator shall be guilty of a class C felony.

     (b)  As used in this section, "multiburst trigger activator" means:

     (1)  A device that simulates automatic gunfire by allowing standard function of a semiautomatic firearm with a static positioned trigger finger or a device that fires multiple shots with the pull and release of the trigger; or

     (2)  A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it simulates automatic gunfire."

     SECTION 2.  New statutory material is underscored.

     SECTION 3.  This Act shall take effect upon its approval.

nvm

Testimony will be due next Tuesday, Feb. 20, 2018, by 2 PM. The new amended version of the bill is below:

Can you amend the title of your thread with the updated testimony due date so people know they should be submitting testimony again?

nvm.

Comments on if this is a good argument?

Removing law abiding citizens access to firearm accessories will do nothing to stop or deter criminals and their activities regarding weapons use.  Instantly turning lawful citizens into felons because of owning certain property is in clear violation of the 4th and 5th amendments to the Constitution of the United States.


The 4th Amendment states:

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”


The 5th Amendment further protects property, by stating:

“No person shall be … deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

  Once again, oppose this bill and please consider working on bills that will actually prevent crimes and catching / incarcerating criminals.

Law abiding gun owners are not the problem in this state.

I would've thought something along the lines of multiburst trigger activators have never been used in any crime, and probably never will be because they are cumbersome to use and ineffective regarding accuracy.  not to mention their outrageous cost, relegating them to a novelty item and curiosity only.

or use 2nd amendment, that obviously has been seen to carry a lot of weight with our legislators.

So lets say this passes and the Gov signs which it will and he will.


How do they notify people?  They have no idea who has what.

One day you're legal and the next day your a felon?

So lets say this passes and the Gov signs which it will and he will.


How do they notify people?  They have no idea who has what.

One day you're legal and the next day your a felon?

Pretty much, yeah.  Perhaps HPD would have a "grace" period, where you can surrender your "Multiburst trigger activator" without punishment. 

Unfortunately, ignorance of the law isn't an excuse that will stand up in court, no matter how asinine the law 

So glad I am leaving this Marxist state and never to return.

So lets say this passes and the Gov signs which it will and he will.

How do they notify people?  They have no idea who has what.

One day you're legal and the next day your a felon?

That's the way (uh huh,uh huh?) they like it. The more people who are "unknowingly" criminals, the more people who can be "removed" from any potential "resistance" should things ever approach "ugly". And thanks to our universal registration they know where all the objects are that could have "devices" attached to them, in case they want to "check".

And just because a law is totally unenforceable is no reason, in their (and i use the word charitably) minds, to not enact it. Minor detail. Like the minor detail that one can "simulate automatic gunfire" without any device at all. I'm sure once this law passes and is enacted that any criminal intent on harming/killing people by firing a semi-auto rifle will obey this law and not use the device-less bump fire technique, because, you know, that would be illegal.

That and the fact that they are liars. Like in the Young v Hawaii Attorney General's amicus brief wherein the AG claims that people can carry guns... like when they move from one residence to another. Of course the gun has to be unloaded and in an enclosed container (thus making it useless for the core purpose of the Second Amendment which SCOTUS ruled is self-defense in case of confrontation), but the AG doesn't mention that fact... that's "carry" to them. I'm sure that's what the founders had in mind when they wrote "bear arms".

There is no end to stupid. And there is no end to evil.

A simple felony conviction because of a legislature passing some inane specific small law can affect someone for their entire lives.


Reckless to say the least.

Meanwhile crazy people wander the street and crazy people walk out of mental institutions and fly all the way to California.


Hawaii the place where nothing gets solved because they criminalize the innocent.

Cross posting here.  Below is my testimony, you can use it for ideas if you wish..  Heavies went the constitutional route, I went with the route that under the vague description of the law, you're pretty much ensuring everyone is a potential felon. 
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I am a law-abiding Hawaii gun owner, and I urge you to oppose House Bill 1908.  I know there are many other hawaii gun owners that feel strongly against this bill as well.

Automatic weaponry is already illegal under existing state and federal law.  A new law that expands on it would only serve to ensnare legal gun owners

"Attorney General Doug Chin opined they already are banned under existing Hawaii law that prohibits modifying firearms to convert them into automatic weapons."

Criminals will buy these devices on the black market easily if they wish, and do not care about any laws prohibiting such devices, and ensnaring legal gun owners.

My guess is that the authors of this bill aren't firearms owners, and therefore do not realize that there are many techniques used to "simulate automatic fire" that don't require the usage of any special devices.  Below is a video of someone demonstrating how to use the bump stock technique with a standard BELT LOOP.  You can use rubber bands, belt buckles, straps, makeshift home devices, pretty much ANYTHING that makes use of the motion of the recoil of to activate the trigger.



Is this bill banning pants with belt loops, belt buckles, rubber bands, holsters, and everything else that can "simulates automatic gunfire by allowing standard function of a semiautomatic firearm with a static positioned trigger finger or a device that fires multiple shots with the pull and release of the trigger;"?    I assure you, those devices are many, and this bill creates potential felons out of a lot of people for no reason. 

Once again, please oppose this bill and please consider working on bills that will actually prevent crimes and catching / incarcerating criminals and not designed to ensnare law abiding citizens with more restrictions and subject to vague laws open to interpretation by law enforcement.  As it stands, if this law went into effect, HPD could walk down the line at the range, and arrest 99/100 people there because they possess a " multiburst trigger activator" on their pants in the form of belt loops or belt buckles.

Law abiding gun owners are not the problem in this state.

Again, as a fellow Hawaii resident, I urge you to oppose House Bill 1908.
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Is this now a moot point seeing as Trump has issued a memo to "ban all devices" like bump stocks?

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Is this now a moot point seeing as Trump has issued a memo to "ban all devices" like bump stocks?

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Not final yet.

"Just a few moments ago I signed a memo directing the attorney general to propose regulations that ban all
devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns," Trump said at a Medal of Valor event at the White House,
addressing Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

"I expect these regulations to be finalized, Jeff, very soon," Trump said.

Not final yet.

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"Just a few moments ago I signed a memo directing the attorney general to propose regulations that ban all
devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns," Trump said at a Medal of Valor event at the White House,
addressing Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

"I expect these regulations to be finalized, Jeff, very soon," Trump said.

I'm guessing he either misspoke or just doesn't know the proper terminology, because most "devices" that allow for an increased rate of fire (things that facilitate bumpfiring) don't "turn legal weapons into machine guns" (a machine gun fire's more than one round per trigger pull). Someone should tell him. Maybe he's trolling.

Trump knows what he's doing and saying.  He is using the terminology that gun haters use and want to heaer.  In the end, I don't expect any bump stock ban on the federal level because it has been tried twice before and were unsuccessful. He's trolling.

Sessions is probably looking into it, but will fail again like the ATF has.

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They'll look at it, then punt the ball to the ATF, who will punt the ball back to lawmakers.  They already went through this circus act right after the vegas attack.  I agree, Trump is trolling them.  Short of legislative or SCOTUS action, nothing will happen. 

Submitted! Growing up I used to shoot a Tec-22 with a hellfire trigger as a kid...so much fun. I hope my kids get to experience the same.