HB1908 "Mult trig acti" Ban: 3/6 Passed House 3rd Reading Unanimously (Read 67399 times)

rklapp

Re: HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban: Testimony Due Tuesday 2/20
« Reply #100 on: February 20, 2018, 04:59:21 PM »
Done. I already submitted on 2/7 for HB 1908 and now this is HB 1908 HD1. I guess if they don't like the response they got the first time, they'll just delay and try again until they get the responses they like.

Overwhelmingly oppose in the first try. I guess that's why they had to try it again. The support testimony is at the front. https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/Session2018/Testimony/HB1908_TESTIMONY_JUD_02-13-18_.PDF
« Last Edit: February 20, 2018, 05:11:51 PM by rklapp »
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punaperson

Re: HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban: Testimony Due Tuesday 2/20
« Reply #101 on: February 20, 2018, 05:24:40 PM »
Done. I already submitted on 2/7 for HB 1908 and now this is HB 1908 HD1. I guess if they don't like the response they got the first time, they'll just delay and try again until they get the responses they like.
Oh, they got the response they liked the first time... what was it? 6 FOR, 120 OPPOSED... passed it either unanimously or unanimously minus 1 (forgive me, all the bills and committees and votes are a bit jumbled at the moment). It's obviously not a matter of them liking or disliking the testimony, it's just them putting on a dog and pony show so they can say they "held hearings" and "took testimony from the public" before they enact and impose their done-deal diktat. It's a joke. I'm not sure why I bother. And this bill's language is still a pile of garbage. No matter how many times they try to "refine" the language, no matter what they do it won't have any impact at all on crime, only on law-abiding citizens... but what else is new in the world of "commonsense gun safety regulation" by the citizen disarmament cabal?

Oh, and I had mentioned in some thread that there was no video available of several of the committee hearings where these legislators said, or didn't say, why they voted the way they did, nor what the intended impact of the bill was. It's a mystery unless you were there in the room. Now this (read it and weep):

http://www.civilbeat.org/2018/02/the-only-three-legislative-committees-youll-almost-never-see-on-tv/

The Only Three Legislative Committees You’ll Almost Never See On TV
Despite the difficulties of attending legislative hearings in person in Hawaii these House committee chairs have nixed televising their hearings.

The House Finance, Judiciary and Transportation committees have taken action on dozens of bills since the legislative session began in January. Just last week, the committees passed or killed measures ranging from taxing real estate investment trusts to increasing fines for campaign finance violations to cracking down on drunken driving.

But if you weren’t at their hearings, you wouldn’t have been able to see what they were doing. None of the oral testimony, none of the questions, none of the decision-making.

That’s because the chairs of these committees — Reps. Sylvia Luke, Scott Nishimoto and Henry Aquino, respectively — refuse to allow their hearings to be broadcast on public-access TV stations such as Olelo.

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Also, I wrote all the committee members with some brief factual information and asked them to please respond to me with how they intended to vote and why. And, yes, I included "*****Response Requested*****" in the subject line of the email. It's 48 hours later... haven't heard a peep from a single one of them except the one who was too dense to actually read my email and said to write to the sponsors of the bill... you asshat, I don't need to talk to them, I wrote you as a member of the committee that will be voting on the bill in the next few days... JFC!!  :crazy:

2ahavvaii

Re: HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban: Testimony Due Tuesday 2/20
« Reply #102 on: February 20, 2018, 06:19:35 PM »
Looks like 3 for, 115 against?

Wow, some of you guys posed some really good arguments in the testimony.  I'm really impressed.

zippz

Re: HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban: Testimony Due Tuesday 2/20
« Reply #103 on: February 20, 2018, 06:29:08 PM »
Looks like 3 for, 115 against?

Wow, some of you guys posed some really good arguments in the testimony.  I'm really impressed.

I have a feeling there may be slightly more opposition this time.

2ahavvaii

Re: HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban: Testimony Due Tuesday 2/20
« Reply #104 on: February 20, 2018, 06:42:46 PM »
I have a feeling there may be slightly more opposition this time.

Sounds like it.  Guess I didn't mention that was for the first go-around.  You guys did good work at the range I imagine.     :thumbsup:

tillamook

Re: HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban: Testimony Due Tuesday 2/20
« Reply #105 on: February 20, 2018, 07:07:42 PM »
hmmm, submitted testimony on 2/16 but it was not included (I can see it under my log in, just not in the testimony PDF) 

macsak

Re: HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban: Testimony Due Tuesday 2/20
« Reply #106 on: February 20, 2018, 07:14:34 PM »
hmmm, submitted testimony on 2/16 but it was not included (I can see it under my log in, just not in the testimony PDF)

testimony .pdf is for the earlier committee meeting

punaperson

Re: HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban: Testimony Due Tuesday 2/20
« Reply #107 on: February 21, 2018, 02:35:39 PM »
35 minutes after the committee hearing scheduled to begin: No testimony posted.

No audio or video available.

punaperson

Re: HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban: Testimony Due Tuesday 2/20
« Reply #108 on: February 21, 2018, 02:41:09 PM »
Testimony posted at 2:38... 318 pages... I won't have a tabulation of the FOR and OPPOSED for a while... (they just added more.... now 380 pages!)

If anyone at the meeting can give us an update when they get to HB1908 HD1, please do so...  :shaka:

punaperson

Re: HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban: Testimony Due Tuesday 2/20
« Reply #109 on: February 21, 2018, 02:51:06 PM »
I learned something new from the testimony that the media has apparently been hiding from the public:

I am in strong support of HB 1908 to ban the use of a bump stock which has caused massacre in several states including horrific mass shooting in a school in Florida last week.

Raj Kumar, Ph. D., President
Gandhi International Institute for Peace

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I have to wonder how Raj got that information given that the all-powerful NRA paid millions to keep it under the rug.... oh, wait, no the NRA doesn't care about bump stocks... musta been GOA paying to keep it under wraps.

PalisadesKid

Re: HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban: Testimony Due Tuesday 2/20
« Reply #110 on: February 21, 2018, 03:25:07 PM »
Do they not include your testimony if you previously submitted testimony from the first hearing?

Just went through ALL 380 of of them and did not find mine.

punaperson

Re: HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban: Testimony Due Tuesday 2/20
« Reply #111 on: February 21, 2018, 03:28:02 PM »
Rough count (got kinda dizzy fast scrolling through 380 pages...)

FOR              55
OPPOSED  287

Ratio: 5.2:1 OPPOSED

A LOT of testimony from what I assume was the range tablers ( :shaka:).

There was quite a bit of what seemed to be some kind of organized support FOR the bill by individuals, of whom all but two seemed (by their names) to be women. Wondering if some teachers union or hospital nurses union or League of Women Voters got involved.
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PalisadesKid

Re: HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban: Testimony Due Tuesday 2/20
« Reply #112 on: February 21, 2018, 03:28:47 PM »
Do they not include your testimony if you previously submitted testimony from the first hearing?

Just went through ALL 380 of of them and did not find mine.

WHOOPS... never mind. I found it. :D

punaperson

Re: HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban: Testimony Due Tuesday 2/20
« Reply #113 on: February 21, 2018, 03:29:30 PM »
Do they not include your testimony if you previously submitted testimony from the first hearing?

Just went through ALL 380 of of them and did not find mine.
This is a totally separate event and all testimony is separate. Maybe yours is in the late LATE?

EDIT:
WHOOPS... never mind. You found it.  :D

zippz

Re: HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban: Testimony Due Tuesday 2/20
« Reply #114 on: February 21, 2018, 04:11:52 PM »

There was quite a bit of what seemed to be some kind of organized support FOR the bill by individuals, of whom all but two seemed (by their names) to be women. Wondering if some teachers union or hospital nurses union or League of Women Voters got involved.

Supporters have been posting it up on their Facebook opposition pages due to the Florida shootings.  I expect there to be much more next time.  Wouldn't be surprised if they got one or two hundred supporting testimony.

macsak

Re: HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban: Testimony Due Tuesday 2/20
« Reply #115 on: February 21, 2018, 04:21:09 PM »
sounds like they passed it, with amendments to specifically name bump stocks and trigger cranks only

punaperson

Re: HB1908 "Multiburst trigger activator" Ban: Testimony Due Tuesday 2/20
« Reply #116 on: February 21, 2018, 04:49:29 PM »
Just called Takumi's office. Amended version won't be up online for 2 to 3 days.

PASSED THE COMMITTEE BY UNANIMOUS VOTE!

PalisadesKid

HB 1908 with amendments to specifically target bump stocks and “cranks” gets signed.

SB 2046 remains un-amended and BROAD with trigger modifications and gets signed.

Can this happen? How would it be possible?

macsak

HB 1908 with amendments to specifically target bump stocks and “cranks” gets signed.

SB 2046 remains un-amended and BROAD with trigger modifications and gets signed.

Can this happen? How would it be possible?

SB2046 has not been passed
it needs to be heard in the senate judiciary committee by Friday march 2 to proceed

macsak

SB2046 has not been passed
it needs to be heard in the senate judiciary committee by Friday march 2 to proceed

and house bill 1908 has not passed either
it needs to be voted upon by the full house next