That's an interesting predicament.
Someone mentally unstable that can't be admitted but instead will be let free and slowly have every single dangerous item banned from them, instead of having them admitted

Yeah, because no one will be able to get anything that has been "banned from them"... not a gun, not a car, not a knife, not a hammer, not a can of gasoline, not a bumpstock (I'm sorry, I meant a "device that increases the rate of fire" or a "device that simulates automatic gunfire")... 

We have those mechanisms in place. Are they being enforced or used???
One recent example of failure of a mechanism or process is the embarrassing escape of Mr. Saito.

Or worse when tips get called in an no one does anything about it.   

I have a simpler, more direct, and I believe more effective suggestion.

Every time one of these cowardly POS's shows up in a school, at a movie theater or a mall: Shoot them until they stop moving.

Bludgeon them to death with baseball bats or any other blunt object you can get your hands on.

Stab them to death with any available sharp implement.

Put these scummy pieces of shit on notice that this will happen EVERY TIME they show up to kill innocents. EVERY_FUCKING_TIME.

When we catch one alive, like this last piece of shit, give them a fair trial and a first class hanging. ON LIVE TELEVISION.

Stop pretending there is some PC, fluffy unicorn way of dealing with this. You want communication? We need to communicate that if you do something like this you WILL die a hard, painful death.

There is no "Fixing" evil. You can only kill it where you find it.

Until we "harden" up, these types of incidents will continue to happen. 

I have a simpler, more direct, and I believe more effective suggestion.

Every time one of these cowardly POS's shows up in a school, at a movie theater or a mall: Shoot them until they stop moving.

Bludgeon them to death with baseball bats or any other blunt object you can get your hands on.

Stab them to death with any available sharp implement.

Put these scummy pieces of shit on notice that this will happen EVERY TIME they show up to kill innocents. EVERY_FUCKING_TIME.

When we catch one alive, like this last piece of shit, give them a fair trial and a first class hanging. ON LIVE TELEVISION.

Stop pretending there is some PC, fluffy unicorn way of dealing with this. You want communication? We need to communicate that if you do something like this you WILL die a hard, painful death.

There is no "Fixing" evil. You can only kill it where you find it.

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I was just about to write this but you beat me to it.
The sooner our new gen politically correct justice system realizes this undeniable truth, the sooner will our country be made great again.

Stop pretending there is some PC, fluffy unicorn way of dealing with this. You want communication? We need to communicate that if you do something like this you WILL die a hard, painful death.

There is no "Fixing" evil. You can only kill it where you find it.

Interesting idea. Let them know they will be humiliated publicly and suffer great pain. Despite being unconstitutional I can see the logic there. I am just not sure it would apply. A lot of these shooters end up killing themselves, I think they go into it expecting to die. I am just not sure it would deter them much, but I could be wrong.

That's an interesting predicament.
Someone mentally unstable that can't be admitted but instead will be let free and slowly have every single dangerous item banned from them, instead of having them admitted

We may need to re-evaluate who we admit for longer periods of time and build more secure mental facilities. Unfortunately this is going to cost more taxpayer money but it may be necessary.

We just need to find a balance though as the mental institutions of the past had some serious issues.

We may need to re-evaluate who we admit for longer periods of time and build more secure mental facilities. Unfortunately this is going to cost more taxpayer money but it may be necessary.

We just need to find a balance though as the mental institutions of the past had some serious issues.

You love the phrase "we need to find."

That's a "filler" for "I don't know if this can be done."  The answer is, "No", not with today's technology.

We can NOT identify violent people without specific communications from them or acts of violence.  We can NOT incarcerate people for what they MIGHT do in the future.

You should take a class on Managerial Accounting or at least Data Analysis and Problem Solving.

There are methods that you use to collect not only potential solutions, but also known, probable limitations. 

The Constitution limits the set of feasible solutions, so we can stop discussing or suggesting those.  Other limitations would be privacy and HIPPA rights.  Those solutions have to be excluded.

Government agencies are for the most part restricted by law from sharing information unless the information is released by the individual or the law allows for specific, narrow exceptions.  That's another limitation on some solutions.  You can't have NICS improve their efficiency rate if the states are not able to share some additional protected information to them. 

Hawaii makes us sign away all our privacy rights to get a gun permit.  Not all states are that eager to trample our rights to exercise a right.

Any limitations that can be mitigated should be added back into the solution set, but that isn't easy.  In practice, those mitigations may not be as effective as they appear on paper.  When gov't is involved, you have to assume Murphy's Law is in full effect.

So on the one hand you blame them for dropping the ball but on the other you suggest they aren't able to do anything. Which is it?

So say the FBI had gone to the house and done their due diligence. Would you be then OK with them taking away this kids guns or locking him in a mental institution?

Both,

They dropped the ball PROVING they can't effectively keep us safe.

At the risk of being banned,
The real problem is
Democrats.
I don't agree with them.
I despise them.
They pass bad laws,
kill, and get away with it.
Here in Hawaii they are called
our government.

You love the phrase "we need to find."

That's a "filler" for "I don't know if this can be done."  The answer is, "No", not with today's technology.

Incorrect, it is "filler" for I don't have the answer yet. First you get an idea, then you brainstorm.

We can NOT identify violent people without specific communications from them or acts of violence.  We can NOT incarcerate people for what they MIGHT do in the future.

Strawman. I don't think anyone is suggesting we just throw anyone with a specific diagnosis in a mental prison or without any evidence to show they are dangerous.

How about this, instead of just tearing into other people's ideas, what are your suggestions? Yes, I know you want armed school personnel but what do you propose in terms of trying to prevent these situations?

Should we stop watching for terrorists then and only reacting when they attack? We surveil people of interest who have not yet committed any crime. I am not talking about the terrorist watchlist either but republicans seem to have a lot more ideas when it comes to terrorist threats than we do when it comes to crazy person threats.

At the risk of being banned,
The real problem is
Democrats.
I don't agree with them.
I despise them.
They pass bad laws,
kill, and get away with it.
Here in Hawaii they are called
our government.

Then you have the Republicans. Climate denying corporate sycophants who would propose bringing back chattel slavery if wasn't such a generally despised institution. Both parties love war and more war and selling their great grandchildren's kidneys to pay for it. Both say yeah you could vote third party but then the Other Guy would win. It's like choosing between two brands of shit-flavored ice cream. It tastes horrible no matter which one you pick.

And have you seen the Republicans in this state? They are a total joke and completely out of touch. Hawaii is technically a State but it's more like occupied territory. The Democrats got a foothold because the Big Five abused their labor to the point of basically driving them into the hands of unions. Now everybody is running on government handout autopilot and the system lurches on under pure intertia because the best idea for an opposition party is Republicans based on a continental confederate model. In Hawaii. It makes absolutely no sense here.

The first thing that is needed is to come up with a Hawaii-based party that makes sense to locals. It's a good time right now because lots of people are getting sick of the status quo. They just keep voting D because the Rs look like a bunch of glue sniffers and paste eaters.

Incorrect, it is "filler" for I don't have the answer yet. First you get an idea, then you brainstorm.

Strawman. I don't think anyone is suggesting we just throw anyone with a specific diagnosis in a mental prison or without any evidence to show they are dangerous.

How about this, instead of just tearing into other people's ideas, what are your suggestions? Yes, I know you want armed school personnel but what do you propose in terms of trying to prevent these situations?

Should we stop watching for terrorists then and only reacting when they attack? We surveil people of interest who have not yet committed any crime. I am not talking about the terrorist watchlist either but republicans seem to have a lot more ideas when it comes to terrorist threats than we do when it comes to crazy person threats.

NO.  Brainstorming is designed to find an idea.  Here's the definition:  BRAINSTORM:  verb  produce an idea or way of solving a problem by holding a spontaneous group discussion.

Stop trying to lecture.  You don't know what you're talking about.

As for my ideas, if the "guns in the hands of good guys" policy was implemented in schools, it would prevent many incidents through deterrence, and it would limit carnage through active resistance.

If that one idea was implemented, we'd be able to evaluate how effective it is, and THEN see where other measures might also be needed.  If it's able to stop 80% of shooters, that'll reduce the number of less effective, more expensive solutions meant to prevent shootings and avoid guns in the hands of faculty.

Snowflapp aka Moosed aka DarmokatSalad aka MauiDog,

I've tried to stay quiet but Once again you make no sense and flout your arrogance.
Brainstorm starts with a concept, say, like gun violence solutions (as the thread title states)
Someone starts the discussion  with an idea and additional ideas are thrown on the table.
You're semantic diversions are getting old.

You're insulting and attacking of other members is getting old. ( I know you'll want to say something about how I'm attacking you but I'm not, except my SnowFlapp address. The rest of the above was just observation) 

How much would armed guards at every entrance to every school cost?
Arm teachers ? How many teachers across the country want to be armed and charged with teaching AND facing an intruder armed with a rifle with their handgun?
How much are we gonna increase their pay for this additional responsibility?

How would we measure it's effectiveness ?
Correlation doesn't doesn't equal causation, as you like to say.
We could definitely measure it's cost.

Brainstorming, anyone else got ideas for gun violence solutions?
Particularly in schools? (Per SnowFlappss last post)
I've read a lot of comments but not many with proposed realistic, real world solutions.

With the exception of Edsters.
How real world that is is applaudable but questionable.
Passionate though. 

I understand the feeling of many members that the government is incompetent.
Same government many of you have worked for or work for. ( military and independent contractors included)
But arguments for enforcing rights and at the same time rights violating practices are mind boggling.

There are two types of ideas we should look at seperately.  Those that will be theoretical and realistic in getting implemented.

Interesting idea. Let them know they will be humiliated publicly and suffer great pain. Despite being unconstitutional I can see the logic there. I am just not sure it would apply. A lot of these shooters end up killing themselves, I think they go into it expecting to die. I am just not sure it would deter them much, but I could be wrong.

Unconstitutional?

At the risk of starting another of your infamous "Wiping my butt with a hoop" diatribes, please explain to me how self defense using deadly force is "Unconstitutional".

I just finished reading about a kid in the Florida shooting that took 5 rounds, because he was holding a door closed to protect the other kids in the room. This kid has BALLS. He deserves to be treated like the hero he is, but, what if he hadn't been indoctrinated with the "Run, Hide, Fight" mentality?
What if he and a couple of others had the "Kill this Motherfucker and Save as Many as Possible from Him" mentality and took those rounds while they assaulted him with whatever weapons were available and beat him to death? How many might have been spared? If this was practiced on a consistent basis how many of the mass shooters that kill themselves afterwords would've opted to just avoid the confrontation and merely blown their own brains out?

My guess is we aren't going to find out anytime soon, because we're teaching our children to be cowards.

Look at how "Bullying" is dealt with now. The prevailing "Solution" is to have the victim "Tell Somebody", then the "Bully" gets some counselling. Then goes right back to bullying the same victim. Completely ineffective, because there is no cost or consequence to the bully. this is why we have a problem with this today.
 I'll never forget my first "Bullying" experience. There were two neighborhood kids that were making fun of me and threatening me. I went and told my Dad. He told me "You have to stand up to them, otherwise it will never end. Never be afraid to stand up for yourself, then they'll leave you alone." Sure enough, a few days later, those boys were yelling at me and making fun and decided to get in my face. I didn't back down. I fought those two to a stalemate. They never bothered me again. An important lesson I learned that day, I was 5 years old. This is why bullying was less of a problem then than it is now. The prevailing attitude has become "Tolerance" rather than "Nip it in the Bud".

We have to stop teaching and preaching "Tolerance" in regards to violence and aggression and start teaching people that they don't have to tolerate the violent aggression of others. You can take action yourself, in fact, you must.

Friend of mine who is big into 2A and helped craft the current WVA CCW law write this. Gives some insight into thoughts and plans.
http://www.criticalstop.com/on-school-shootings.pdf

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The first thing that is needed is to come up with a Hawaii-based party that makes sense to locals.

A party created by the common Gibsmedat mentality?  How would it be different from the current regime?

Most vote D because they are not bright enough to think it through on their own. Just go along.  You may have seen one of those maps of the IQ average in all the states.  Hawaii is down there with CA, MS,LA and AL, FWIW.  Not going to improve in our lifetime.

Friend of mine who is big into 2A and helped craft the current WVA CCW law write this. Gives some insight into thoughts and plans.
http://www.criticalstop.com/on-school-shootings.pdf

Thanks for posting that 6716J
An interesting read with food for thought and direct to this topic.

Friend of mine who is big into 2A and helped craft the current WVA CCW law write this. Gives some insight into thoughts and plans.
http://www.criticalstop.com/on-school-shootings.pdf

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Thank you.  Can this be shared?

The next school shooter is out there, and he probably has a gun already.

When considering solutions, you have to set priorities.  This, to me, is priority #1.  Taking time to go through the process of drafting, passing and implementing laws to "prevent" a shooting only gives the next killer time ...

Friend of mine who is big into 2A and helped craft the current WVA CCW law write this. Gives some insight into thoughts and plans.
http://www.criticalstop.com/on-school-shootings.pdf

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THIS.

This reminds me of an old Jeff Cooper speech I watched on You Tube not too long ago.

Although he still held onto the hope that someone would do something. Must've been from the late 70's or early 80's.

He also classified schools as "Soft Targets" and  advocated for hardening them and being prepared for attacks, much as they have in Israel.

THIS is common sense action. Action that isn't being taken because of money. How utterly ludicrous. Our governments Federal, State and Local, all blow BILLIONS of dollars on some of the stupidest shit imaginable, hell they LOSE billions of dollars. I mean like: "WTF?? where did that 6 BILLION dollars go? Shit. Must've lost it. Oh well!"

Yet these same twatwaffles can't mange to pony up the money needed to protect our kids.

Unacceptable.