tyranny begins in WA state... (Read 3711 times)

macsak

oldfart

Re: tyranny begins in WA state...
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2018, 09:15:06 AM »
Is there a way to place bets on a lawsuit?
Like investing in stocks.
What, Me Worry?

robtmc

Re: tyranny begins in WA state...
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2018, 09:25:04 AM »
The NW has become ground zero for cringing snowflakes these days.

They demand they get their way and this is an example of them getting it.  They will try very had with Soros-Bloomturd money to spread this everywhere.

rpoL98

Re: tyranny begins in WA state...
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2018, 09:29:23 AM »
isn't this what SB2436 will allow to take place in Hawaii?

aieahound

Re: tyranny begins in WA state...
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2018, 09:30:33 AM »
Supported by President Trump.
Take the guns first. Due process later.
(His words, or very close to them based on the video)

isn't this what SB2436 will allow to take place in Hawaii?

I don't think so. Similar though in taking away due process.
That's when you're deemed ineligible to own guns by some disqualifying factor. (Whatever that may be)
This is when there are no disqualifying factors other than you freaked someone out.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2018, 09:47:03 AM by aieahound »

macsak

Re: tyranny begins in WA state...
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2018, 09:38:53 AM »
isn't this what SB2436 will allow to take place in Hawaii?

no
SB2436 changes the time for firearms/ammo seizure when someone is disqualified from 30 days to 7 days

the "gun violence protective order" bill is this one:
H 2/1/2018: The committee(s) on JUD recommend(s) that the measure be deferred.   
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/HB2024_.pdf   
HB2024   Gun Violence; Protective Orders   RELATING TO GUN VIOLENCE PROTECTIVE ORDERS.   
Establishes a detailed process allowing law enforcement officers and family or household members to obtain a court order to prevent a person from accessing firearms and ammunition where the person poses a danger of causing bodily injury to oneself or another.
Oppose. C. LEE, JOHANSON, LOWEN, MIZUNO, NAKASHIMA, NISHIMOTO, TAKAYAMA   JUD

"deferred" means that it is dead for this session

6716J

Re: tyranny begins in WA state...
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2018, 09:59:24 AM »
And they say... "nobody wants to take your guns away"...

And yet, here we are...
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

Hunter1007

Re: tyranny begins in WA state...
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2018, 10:19:09 AM »
Let's for argument's sake change the gun to a car and the situation was that the man gave you dirty looks while he stopped for you at a cross walk. Should we confiscate his cars without a warrant??? And even if you did have a warrant see how silly that sounds!

punaperson

Re: tyranny begins in WA state...
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2018, 12:35:36 PM »
I have two comments: First, I have an anecdotal example of how Hawaii has virtually the exact opposite sort of policy in place. This is a third hand story, but from a source I consider reliable: A woman had testified against a man in court who was subsequently convicted and sentenced to prison. When he got out she happened to see him at a store in a nearby checkout line. He "gave her a look" that led her to believe it was possible that he intended to do her harm. She used this incident as "fear for protection of life or property" as "an exceptional case" claim for acquiring a CCW license. She was denied without comment. One place: stare, they take your guns. Other place, known criminal gives "dirty look", you may not bear a firearm for self-defense.

Secondly, as a major peripheral aside, please feel free to skip the rest, or bear with me on this one: no one or nothing can "make you feel" anything. Seeing a firearm and "feeling afraid" is not genetically programmed into the human brain. People have physical responses to things, some of which are labeled "emotions", because of a variety of factors including genetic and conditioning factors. I'd venture that most people don't know why they feel what they feel in many circumstances. Usually it's related to something the person is wanting or needing, but most people aren't clear about the fact that it is their "want" that creates a particular response to a particular event. For example, let's consider "It's raining outside today". For a lot of people that could just be a factual event, and since they have little or no desire re rain or no rain, they have little or no "emotional response". Now consider someone who is getting married that day in an outdoor ceremony. That person might be sad, "upset", etc. because they were wanting a dry sunny day for their wedding. Now what about a farmer who has been seeing serious crop damage from drought. He wants rain so he is happy, excited, relieved, etc. because he was wanting rain. Same event, totally different responses, but nothing "made" them feel the way they did other than their own personal desires/wants/needs.

One way to communicate what you are feeling and what you are wanting is via the following format:

When I see/hear/etc. event X ("objectively" described without "editorial" judgment, analysis, evaluation, etc.), I feel emotion Y, because I'm wanting need Z, and I'm wondering if you'd be willing to do positive concrete specific action A.

This allows the person to "take responsibility" for their own "feelings", and clearly ask for some specific action from the person they are interacting with, and give that second person a clear option of whether to do act A or not.

Note that "When I hear you be rude/be an asshole/be stupid, etc." is NOT not an "objective" description of an action... compared to "When you said you didn't care what I thought...". Nor are "I feel you are an asshole/rude/stupid/ignoring me/etc." feelings. When we don't get what we want we typically feel some form and degree of sadness/anger/fear.

And "I want you to love me/be nice to me/support me/etc." is NOT a request of a doable action, as can be seen when people get into the "You don't love me!", "Yes I do!" tussle. Now if someone said "I'd like you to call me every day and talk to me for at least 10 minutes"... that gives the other person a clear option/choice of a specific action to do or not do.

Here's how I believe this applies to the story at the top, and for much of the "debate" around such issues. I believe, and I could be completely wrong, that most of the people that are "scared" by people owning guns, or the very existence of weapons, if they were honest and could clearly see what it is they want would say something like this: "When I see you owning and/or carrying firearms, I feel scared because I'm wanting "safety" (which can only be achieved when no one in the world has any weapon that can be used to harm another person... we'll allow fists and feet for the moment), and I'm wondering if you'd be willing to destroy all your weapons".

That's why no one talks like that... they don't know why they feel the way they do, they don't want to know why they feel the way they do, and they certainly don't want to make that kind of request (okay, well maybe some do). Mosts of the leftist (and the rightist ones too) opponents to various individual liberties seem to rely on "feelings" rather than a more rational evaluation of data (See: every example of every piece of anti-rights legislation).

One of my psych teachers told a story about when he was first learning the above "communication technique" and was cut off by a driver and as he stuck his head out the window to yell "You fucking idiot!" he heard himself sayhing instead "You don't love me!".

We now return you to your regular scheduled programming.

6716J

Re: tyranny begins in WA state...
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2018, 01:12:00 PM »
Why are you afraid of guns?

"Because they're dangerous and they scare me"

Do you drive a car? They're dangerous and scary...

"I learned to drive"

Zactly...................
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.