A media campaign #IAmTheNRA to show them that WE did not commite murders. We are the people next door to you. We are NOT the enemy.

Introducing the general population about the joys of the shooting arts is a great strategy, where competition shooting and self-defense advantages can be slowly introduced later.  This is how I contribute to the cause.

However, a media campaign might be too premature given the current political climate.  For example, all the anti-gunners need to debunk the above claim is show at least one case were a murder was committed and that person was a gun enthusiast and/or NRA member.

I was thinking that the best counter to all this anti gun this and crap is to bring person who has never handled a firearm before to the range. Start them off with a safety class away from the range. Their first shooting experience should be fun. DOn't get them started on the biggest caliber you got. Shoot at something with feedback - the ringing of steel is very satisfying.

A media campaign #IAmTheNRA to show them that WE did not commite murders. We are the people next door to you. We are NOT the enemy.

The intro part is something I’ve done for many years. With family, friends, friends of friends. I’ve gotten more than a few of my buddies wives to come to enjoy shooting. Even two that were prettt anti-gun before. They just didn’t know any better and got their info from movies/TV and the media. Nothing to be afraid of.

I also agree that should avoid the whole “big caliber” intro. Seen it so many times at the range and even SSF. Guys trying to show other guys they are macho and also egging new female shooters on. That’s one quick way to get someone to hate shooting.

same people pissing and moaning about this and that . misogynist. racist. etc. GOP is this & that. bully this and that
its easy to criticize.
offer some solutions.

Yeah and have it shut down like the climate change thread when I start to make too much sense? I'm actually kind of embarrassed for whoever did that. If you don't want the same crappy results, then quit using the same crappy approach.

Best thing I can recommend is if you want something done or changed, do it yourself.

Yeah and have it shut down like the climate change thread when I start to make too much sense? I'm actually kind of embarrassed for whoever did that. If you don't want the same crappy results, then quit using the same crappy approach.

Stay on topic.  The climate change thread was locked because the same thing was being argued over and over from both sides.  That dead horse has had enough. 

Stay on topic.  The climate change thread was locked because the same thing was being argued over and over from both sides.  That dead horse has had enough. 

It's a great illustration of the keyboard commando isolationist behavior and how we treat each other. We're asking people on the fence or who are simply misinformed about gun rights to accept an opinion that probably goes against their altruistic instinct of live-and-let-live. If we aren't willing to listen to them or at least disagree without hostility then it's just one more reason for them to blow us off and drift to the other side which is making twisted appeals to their emotions.

The best strategy I can think of right now would be to actively recruit naturalized Muslim Americans. There are quite a few here who are upstanding members of our community, and for the Islamophobics out there it's a great way to gradually increase your exposure to the real thing instead of the imaginary scarecrow version from right wing media. Who knows. Maybe you dig halal but never knew it.

Can you imagine the glorious sound of the corporate media choking on their own vomit?

It's a great illustration of the keyboard commando isolationist behavior and how we treat each other. We're asking people on the fence or who are simply misinformed about gun rights to accept an opinion that probably goes against their altruistic instinct of live-and-let-live. If we aren't willing to listen to them or at least disagree without hostility then it's just one more reason for them to blow us off and drift to the other side which is making twisted appeals to their emotions.

The best strategy I can think of right now would be to actively recruit naturalized Muslim Americans. There are quite a few here who are upstanding members of our community, and for the Islamophobics out there it's a great way to gradually increase your exposure to the real thing instead of the imaginary scarecrow version from right wing media. Who knows. Maybe you dig halal but never knew it.

Can you imagine the glorious sound of the corporate media choking on their own vomit?

Trying to recruit people from targeted demographics seems like a Liberal tactic.  Identity politics is their M.O.

I've seen posts with special attention given to women and gays.  Now you want to add Muslims.  We missed black History Month and the chance to use it to target African-Americans.  This weekend we should get Irish-Americans to come to the gun show, for St. Patrick's Day?

I always feel dirty whenever anyone in a group suggests we need to integrate people with demographic differences.  That's playing into the very racist stereotype the media paints the gun culture as.  "We need more XXX people so we don't look like we're racists."

If you want to have a multi-cultural group, then just set up multi-cultural events.  Don't limit it to specific cultures, religions or ethnicities.  Organize a shooting fair with a pot luck picnic.  Invite people to bring their favorite non-local dish.  I don't mind if a white person brings a Mexican dish, a Japanese person brings a halal dish, or a local person brings Italian food.  If you want a wide variety of cultures represented, then invite the people you know who can prepare the dishes you'd like and would be happy to do so.  It should be about sharing what people know and can do, not about where they come from or what religion they follow.

Let's leave the pandering to the Democrats.  inclusiveness should be based on treating everyone the same and enjoying the diversity, not trying to lure them in because they happen to be Muslim, or whatever else.

Let's leave the pandering to the Democrats.  inclusiveness should be based on treating everyone the same and enjoying the diversity, not trying to lure them in because they happen to be Muslim, or whatever else.

This.

This is what America is about.

The stance against pandering is admirable, but I'm wondering if they would feel welcome? I still remember how hard it was for me to go to the range for the first time on my own wearing slippers and landscaper ear cans, fumbling with targets, and asking the grumpy looking range masters what to do. I imagine for them it would be an extremely uncomfortable hurdle to jump. There are gun shops in parts of American with signs saying no Muslims allowed. That right there kind of cancels out any uneasy feeling we should have about pandering. What's the use of treating everyone equally if they don't show up?

The stance against pandering is admirable, but I'm wondering if they would feel welcome? I still remember how hard it was for me to go to the range for the first time on my own wearing slippers and landscaper ear cans, fumbling with targets, and asking the grumpy looking range masters what to do. I imagine for them it would be an extremely uncomfortable hurdle to jump. There are gun shops in parts of American with signs saying no Muslims allowed. That right there kind of cancels out any uneasy feeling we should have about pandering. What's the use of treating everyone equally if they don't show up?

I don't worry about what stores elsewhere are doing.  I have no control over them.  If you want people to join because you want to use them for some propaganda, to me that's wrong. 

Your anecdotal story is not unique to Muslims.  It's the same for all new KHSC visitors.  There's a lot going on at once, and learning the ropes is not easy if you're on your own.

I took the OGC offered handgun training.  That included hands-on at KHSC.  I was simultaneously trained, introduced to several handguns and calibers to try, and provided in-person experience on how the range works and the rules.

I mentioned on here more than once there should be a KHSC training resource for new shooters.  It could go over all the rules, proper target construction and positioning, types of targets permitted (Steel plates, bowling pins, ...), and the normal RSO commands used.

Maybe someone is willing to produce a nicely edited and narrated video to walk new (and not so new) shooters through all the things they need to know and how to get set up on each range?  Post it to the nice KHSC website if possible, or at least link  to a video server hosting it.  There are a couple of KHSC intro videos out there, but they could be better.  Add some "PowerPoint Slides" to list the important rules and safety concerns.  Trying to talk on video while filming around live fire isn't the best.  Adding the narrative during editing would be much better for computer based training (CBT) videos.

I know there are people here who are professional or skilled hobbiest videographers.  Something like this could be a valuable tool for attracting all new visitors who were interested in shooting, but have no idea where to start.

Just a thought.

I mentioned on here more than once there should be a KHSC training resource for new shooters.  It could go over all the rules, proper target construction and positioning, types of targets permitted (Steel plates, bowling pins, ...), and the normal RSO commands used.

Could get a grant or some city money to pay for a few tablets.  Mount them next to the signin  books and loop the video.  Range staff would be appreciative.

I agree with the problem of joining an organization, paying the membership fee, and kicking back watching a few people do the work.  I'm guilty of this and it took me a long time to realize it.  This holds true for any club (not just limited to guns)...HRA, MPPL, Puuloa, HDF, etc.  The fees pay administrative expenses.  What gets things done is the members wether it's setting up the range, doing RSO time, updating the website, planning and leading events, etc.

When something goes wrong or stuff isn't done the members usually target the leadership.  The leadership (unless their paid or do something malicious) don't have any more responsibility than the members.  It's actually the member's fault.

Parkland Student Delaney Tarr: : "There are so very many things, so many steps to take. Like right now, sign our petition. It takes two seconds and it matters. We will take the big and we will take the small, but we will keep fighting. When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile. We are not here for bread crumbs. We are here for real change. We are here to lead."

We have no political power in Hawaii because we can't unite and organize.
Until all the gun groups form a hui we're Fawked.
We tried through 2AHawaii and got 12 guys.
(Not counting the one national day when we got 100 which was cool)

HDF, MPPL, IPSC, Chinese gun club, cowboy action, skeet folks, Puuloa, Schofield, etc.

Props to Zippz for what he's working to do though.

We have no political power in Hawaii because we can't unite and organize.
Until all the gun groups form a hui we're Fawked.
We tried through 2AHawaii and got 12 guys.
(Not counting the one national day when we got 100 which was cool)

HDF, MPPL, IPSC, Chinese gun club, cowboy action, skeet folks, Puuloa, Schofield, etc.

Props to Zippz for what he's working to do though.

Yeah, I hear ya.  Or when folks get all hyped up for an event, get others to organize and such, and then don't show up. . .

What would be great to have is a united march on the weekend.  Start at the State Capitol and march to Ala Moana Park.  Have a big BBQ and fun day there.
Might be doable at the end of 2019.